Quote (Noob_Nova @ 20 Jul 2010 19:07)

That's kuz I can.

Stfu? U mad?

I'll stfu when I decide to stfu.

Quote (Noob_Nova @ 20 Jul 2010 17:07)

That's kuz I can.

Stfu? U mad?

I'll stfu when I decide to stfu.

Quote (Noob_Nova @ 20 Jul 2010 16:53)

Assume more asinine shit. It just so happens that I am a pro musician. Hence the free time to sit on my ass and argue this stuff.

Get a life kid.

Quote (Noob_Nova @ 20 Jul 2010 17:02)

I have made several proper arguments.

Your false belief in that 20 str on jalal's is not useful, but 20 str on a ring is useful will prevent you from perceiving the truth.

Your false belief that a 163% fcr druid doesn't need dex is even more irrational. These are two unrelated things. Dex effects block percentage, or your total amount of life if you are max block. Fcr and dex are independent of each other. Dex does not give you a higher cast rate percentage. Although this is what you are implying.

Finally. Your pelt is a 2-3 Nado pelt. The topic title, and entire thesis is based on a 3-3 nado pelt. Congratulations at taking the argument out of context in order to manipulate and perverse the truth in your favor of winning, even though your win is a lie.

Quote (Q_r @ 20 Jul 2010 17:11)

Lol so you're imagining going max block (or even high block %) with a Spirit monarch & 163fcr ??? xD Good luck with your 40frame fbr / 2k life (with oak) / 350dext druid haha
Clueless clown, don't talk about things you have no idea about

Quote (Dorieus @ 20 Jul 2010 17:12)

He has done so for 110 pages soon, why would he stop now, or never...

Quote (Noob_Nova @ Jul 20 2010 10:37am)

I was thinking vs FOH kuz a gg FOHer will break a GG cyclone armor in 1-2 hits. If your in his conviction and he breaks it in the second hit, the second hit will probably kill you.

Quote (Dorieus @ Jul 20 2010 12:07pm)

1) It is not a false believe that I do not need the str from helm, since I can get it from other items, which can't have more useful mods.

2) I have never said dex has anything to do with fcr, don't make up things from your head. And as I said before: Spirit shields low faster block rate makes you not want to block, thus you dont want that fucking dex from ring, you want str instead, which allows you to use pelt, which allows you to get 580 more damage and 40 more life.

3) Yes, my pelt is a 2-3 Nado pelt. I don't care what the topic titlse says, you have posted yourself  ~10 times (SHOW ME A PELT THAT IS BETTER THAN THIS: (insert stupid pic of jalals here).

4) I haven't manipulated anything, I have proven succesfully to you that nado pelt > Jalals, get over it.

Quote (Noob_Nova @ 20 Jul 2010 17:18)

1) Ok your right. It is accurate to believe that you do not need the str from the helm since you can get str from other items. It is then also accurate to believe that you do not need the str from the other items since you can get str from the helm.

Why is this? Because the are relative variables. Your thinking is based on a fallacy.

2) You most certainly did relate Dex to Fcr. You said, "163% Fcr druids don't need dex." Two un-related label. I believe using the appropriate labels, in math, and the importance of, is learned by the fifth grade.

To further elaborate on this, you have validated your argument by simply saying that you do not need max block because the faster block rate on a monarch is to slow to be effective.

Well, why don't you post Faster Block Rate Frames for a Spirit Monarch, and compare it to IAS Frames of a Zon and Barb.
Then post Faster Block Rate Frames for an SS and compare it to IAS frames of a zon an barb.

Then subtract all of the data so that we can see what the difference is.
3) The topic title is about +6 nado pelts. Your creating an argument based on using a +5 nado pelt as the basis for your comparison. You have taken the argument out of context.

4) Please see point #3. This is a form of manipulation. You have failed.

Quote (Q_r @ Jul 20 2010 12:05pm)

I can't believe what i just read... Noob_Nova, are you brain-damaged??? You don't even know how to build a druid, and you're trying to argue about a helm choice??

I'll list you some of the classical builds (which are used by best pvp'ers on all realms)

Non-bugbelt setup :

Coa BerBer (when needing dr) / Pelt 5nado 30fhr life res (shael) (when not needing dr) / Circlet 2-20-30frw-shael+Lo (Vs trapsin)
Enigma
Suicide Branch 20life-15res Jewel
Spirit Monarch 35fcr
Arach (when using Coa or Pelt) / TG (when using Circlet)
2x 10fcr 17+str 35+life xxres rings
Amulet 2dru 18+fcr xxlife mods
Sandstorm 15-15 (here is your psn res ^^ )
TO gloves
Torch + Anni
9x 4xlife Ele Skillers
10x life/res Scs

Bugbelt Setup :

Circlet(s) 2-20-2socks + adds (rich people have a set of them, depending on the opponent - example : 2druid 20fcr 2socks 49life 22fr)
Enigma
Suicide Branch
Spirit
Bugbelt
1x 10fcr 17+str 35+life xxres ring + 1x 10fcr xstr 50+life xxres ring
Amulet 2dru 18+fcr xxlife mods
Sands 15-15 or gg frw-fhr-tri res boots
TO gloves
Torch + Anni
9x 4xlife Ele Skillers
10x life/res Scs


Those are the best setups possible. Now, some may want to have a 99fcr/99fhr MB maxDr setup, but STASHED, not as main setup (because 99fcr is just slow as hell), so that's how they do :
2-20-xxdext-xxlife circlet (with 7-9-9-9 Jool)
Enigma
Hoto
Storm "Eld"
Verdungo
1x 10fcr 20str 15dext xxmana res ring + 1x 10fcr 15dext 35+life ring
Amulet 2dru 19+fcr xxdext
Shadow Dancers 25dext
Bloodfist
Torch + Anni
8x 4xlife Skillers + 1x 12fhr skiller
10x life/res scs



I hope you now understand how impossible is the use of a jalals, since you NEED to be able to switch of Helm, regarding on the opponent. That's why you can't rely on Jalals' str at all, since you wouldn't be able to switch it then. So, as i demonstrated you that str on jalals was useless, the remaining stats which can have a use are : +2dru skills / 30fhr / 30res and that's all. I hope you now understand how inferior is Jalals face to pelts/coa/circlets combo.

Quote (Q_r @ Jul 20 2010 12:19pm)

Rofl. Stop using your fucking crap "logical" way of thinking, and just start using common sense.