Quote (Neko @ Jun 18 2011 12:20am)

oh easy

1 correct

2. correct

3. uhh you can go max/ar/life gcs with 3/xx/20s or 3/xx/xx scs instead of 3/20/20s unless you use hls/ravens then you must use ar/life gcs or else your ar will be under 18k which isn't enough.

Quote (dark-soul @ Jun 17 2011 10:21pm)

True forgot to mention other gcs.

Quote (Neko @ Jun 18 2011 12:24am)

4. etmights isn't good armor to use in nt unless you have good nt build which needs be posted.

Quote (dark-soul @ Jun 17 2011 10:25pm)

Mike always rocked etmight in nt and did pretty well

Quote (802 @ Jun 17 2011 10:25pm)

Do you think on NT ladder, having 17.5-18.5k is enough attack rating for most setups?

Def isnt as much of an issue on NT ladder to my knowledge. Also mind if I pm you a question about my setup?

Quote (Zhou9 @ Jun 17 2011 10:27pm)

What about the analysis of exile's defense?

I haven't had trouble taking down exile users with stormshield. Perhaps this is just a minor difference of opinion, if you google Stoutwood the thread has many arguments to why exile is not the best option for zealots. It's really a great guide, give it a read.

Quote (Zhou9 @ Jun 18 2011 01:08am)

Obviously I have not gone through the 1k pages on this thread, but for Zealots Stoutwood's guide has always been the one I've looked to. So I have a few questions:

1. Your guide seems to be defense oriented. Why does Defiance come before Sacrifice? Defense has diminishing returns, whereas damage does not. Especially since the variance of damage on the Zealot is so high.

2. In the same line of questioning as defense, why Exile when there are clearly better options for zealots? This is Stoutwood's analysis back in 1.11, not sure if things have changed in 1.13:



3. Why would you suggest any charms other than 3/20/20s? According to your guide, the Eth Gbane setup trounces the Eth Valor setup in almost every manner. I'm not an expert on charms so I wouldn't know, however.

The setups do seem to be well thought out, as the deficits in some item choices are made up for in others, but they seem inflexible. For instance, without a perf Ber Ber coa or 2 40/15s people may not be able to hit their max dr or IAS framerates. Anyway, if anyone hasn't read Stoutwood's guide, give it a go. This one seems Exile based, which supplements Stoutwood's anti-exile stance on zealots. Of course, on West life tap is considered bm in zeal duels, and things may have changed since 1.11.

Google Stoutwood

Quote (Fusa @ Jun 17 2011 10:29pm)

actually stoutwood wrote his guide back in 1.10 (in 2004 i think) and it's very outdated. the reason west never used exile was that they had copied temple//duel from east where tap was bm in 1.09 (as well as in palapk) and it carried over to 1.10+.

Quote (Zhou9 @ Jun 17 2011 10:30pm)

The analysis shows why the def doesn't matter that much.

And to call Stoutwood random would be a little unfair lol he was considered the best zealot on west back in his day.

Quote (Fusa @ Jun 17 2011 10:29pm)

actually stoutwood wrote his guide back in 1.10 (in 2004 i think) and it's very outdated. the reason west never used exile was that they had copied temple//duel from east where tap was bm in 1.09 (as well as in palapk) and it carried over to 1.10+.