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Jun 14 2011 01:17pm
Quote (Neko @ Jun 14 2011 02:15pm)
ya..for me in most part. -_- i'm not mad at all i lost 10 straight :lol:


Ouch :(

It happens though.
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Jun 14 2011 01:19pm
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Ouch :(

It happens though.


yea..i know, i kind of enjoy it tbh. :lol: lee is on ladder for once.
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Jun 14 2011 04:55pm
Bonsoir,

I want to mount a paladin zealot is capable of soloing the uber Tristram.
Build on what should I turn?

Merci.
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Bonsoir,

I want to mount a paladin zealot is capable of soloing the uber Tristram.
Build on what should I turn?

Merci.


make a smiter.
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Jun 15 2011 02:48am
Quote (UndeadApocalypse12 @ Jun 14 2011 11:17pm)
make a smiter.

Bonjour,
Your answer is not very constructive.
I know very well that smiter is more suited to this kind of senario but there such Smiter in diablo 2 that I'm a little bummed.

Merci.

This post was edited by azzerty30 on Jun 15 2011 02:50am
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Jun 16 2011 03:48am
hmmm to be honest im not quite sure what you are asking but ill give it a try

if you are going to make a smiter for ubers then you need 3 main things,

a lot of attack rating or a weapon with ignore target defence
an item that provides life tap (draculs grasp gloves or an exile runeword pally sheild, or both of these)
maximum resistances in hell difficulty

if you could be more specific as to which parts of the zealer build you need help with (items or whatever that may be) send me a pm with your questions and ill try to answer them the best i can
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Jun 16 2011 05:37pm
thank you ScottyFifteen
I send you a private message.

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Jun 17 2011 11:08pm
Obviously I have not gone through the 1k pages on this thread, but for Zealots Stoutwood's guide has always been the one I've looked to. So I have a few questions:

1. Your guide seems to be defense oriented. Why does Defiance come before Sacrifice? Defense has diminishing returns, whereas damage does not. Especially since the variance of damage on the Zealot is so high.

2. In the same line of questioning as defense, why Exile when there are clearly better options for zealots? This is Stoutwood's analysis back in 1.11, not sure if things have changed in 1.13:

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Eth Templar/HoZ/Angelics
22.5k ar
35k def (no prebuff)
Chance to hit Eth templar/Exile = 33%

Eth Templar/Exile/Angelics:
20k ar
45k def (no prebuff)
Chance to hit Eth templar/Hoz = 36%

As you can see there is no real bonus from the defense and defiance of Exile. From experience exile will win if life tap is casted when the exile user still has over 50% life left. Otherwise, other shield user has the advantage of higher damage.


3. Why would you suggest any charms other than 3/20/20s? According to your guide, the Eth Gbane setup trounces the Eth Valor setup in almost every manner. I'm not an expert on charms so I wouldn't know, however.

The setups do seem to be well thought out, as the deficits in some item choices are made up for in others, but they seem inflexible. For instance, without a perf Ber Ber coa or 2 40/15s people may not be able to hit their max dr or IAS framerates. Anyway, if anyone hasn't read Stoutwood's guide, give it a go. This one seems Exile based, which supplements Stoutwood's anti-exile stance on zealots. Of course, on West life tap is considered bm in zeal duels, and things may have changed since 1.11.

Google Stoutwood

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Obviously I have not gone through the 1k pages on this thread, but for Zealots Stoutwood's guide has always been the one I've looked to. So I have a few questions:

1. Your guide seems to be defense oriented. Why does Defiance come before Sacrifice? Defense has diminishing returns, whereas damage does not. Especially since the variance of damage on the Zealot is so high.

2. In the same line of questioning as defense, why Exile when there are clearly better options for zealots? This is Stoutwood's analysis back in 1.11, not sure if things have changed in 1.13:



3. Why would you suggest any charms other than 3/20/20s? According to your guide, the Eth Gbane setup trounces the Eth Valor setup in almost every manner. I'm not an expert on charms so I wouldn't know, however.

The setups do seem to be well thought out, as the deficits in some item choices are made up for in others, but they seem inflexible. For instance, without a perf Ber Ber coa or 2 40/15s people may not be able to hit their max dr or IAS framerates. Anyway, if anyone hasn't read Stoutwood's guide, give it a go. This one seems Exile based, which supplements Stoutwood's anti-exile stance on zealots. Of course, on West life tap is considered bm in zeal duels, and things may have changed since 1.11.

Google Stoutwood


Never heard of stoutwood or read the guide so can't really comment on it. Allow me to answer your questions though.

1. It's pretty much a must to level your character to at least 96 if you are to compete in gm melee (on east at least) so it's a moot point at which gets maxed first. However, in my experience with a few lvl 93 zealots they always did better with maxed defiance rather than max sac. Although it wouldn't make much of a diff either way tbh.

2. There is no better option than an exile in gm melee where exile is gm.

3. Although 32020s would be the best option for a lot of setups they aren't the best option for all. In setups where you need to use highlords/ravens you're going to need to use ar/life gcs to get your ar to a high enough amount or you won't be to effective in duels against 50k+ def opponents.
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Jun 17 2011 11:20pm
Quote (dark-soul @ Jun 17 2011 10:17pm)
Never heard of stoutwood or read the guide so can't really comment on it. Allow me to answer your questions though.

1. It's pretty much a must to level your character to at least 96 if you are to compete in gm melee (on east at least) so it's a moot point at which gets maxed first. However, in my experience with a few lvl 93 zealots they always did better with maxed defiance rather than max sac. Although it wouldn't make much of a diff either way tbh.

2. There is no better option than an exile in gm melee where exile is gm.

3. Although 32020s would be the best option for a lot of setups they aren't the best option for all. In setups where you need to use highlords/ravens you're going to need to use ar/life gcs to get your ar to a high enough amount or you won't be to effective in duels against 50k+ def opponents.


oh easy

1 correct

2. correct unless euro/west.

3. uhh you can go max/ar/life gcs with 3/xx/20s or 3/xx/xx scs instead of 3/20/20s unless you use hls/ravens then you must use ar/life gcs or else your ar will be under 18k which isn't enough.


This post was edited by Neko on Jun 17 2011 11:23pm
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