Quote (myfryhole @ Sat, 5 Sep 2009, 15:11)

its to much of a sacrifice just like griff on a t/v is to much of sacrifice. for a ladder sin to hit 102 he also loses his raven
so he'll have max 16 dr from gear to little only 8 if he wants cham for can not be frozen
he loses 250 ar and 20 dex
he loses +1 skill a socket and stats
he loses 37 ds ans 20ias

I've tried it as a ladder sin and will say the for 5%fcr this way to much of a lose griff really doesnt work on a hybrid

Quote (young2093 @ Sat, Sep 5 2009, 04:32pm)

102 hybrids are not common at all, most of that is irrelevant on a c/c trapper where 102 is most useful.

Quote (myfryhole @ Sat, 5 Sep 2009, 15:38)

this is true but I understood this thread as being about hybrids not cc trappers
if it was a cc trapper I'd say there is argument for griff even though its a sacrifice.

Quote (young2093 @ Sat, Sep 5 2009, 04:40pm)

When you're basing your Hybrid more on the trap side you're going to take on more properties of a trapper.

Quote (myfryhole @ Sat, 5 Sep 2009, 15:45)

I'd agree but I find that 65 fcr is fine for cc on a hybrid I dont think this sacrifice is worth while. who would you take such a lose to duel cant for a zon u need dr, cant for a smiter or vt or baba, or a druid for the same reason.
I wouldnt for a necro 37 ds is to good to lose and +1 skill is sig too. so maybe a sorc who should be ez neway?

Quote (young2093 @ Sat, Sep 5 2009, 05:24pm)

I would use a 65% FCR setup on any Hybrid as well. The point is you were arguing about the lightning damage bonuses on Griffons being useless when that's not what it's used for.

Quote (myfryhole @ Sat, 5 Sep 2009, 16:38)

fair enough but its not my only reason y I think griffs on a hybrid is a fail
loses 250 ar and 20 dex
loses +1 skill a socket and stats
37% ds ans 20ias
are just a few of the other loses
but I'm not sure y we're going back and forth if we agree young lol
oh and bring back the shake ava man it was dankness.

Quote (young2093 @ Sat, Sep 5 2009, 05:57pm)

You can go 65 with a Griffons as well. Griffons + Arachs + Trangs nets you the required FCR, opening up a good bit of change in gear.

Quote (Pari @ Sat, Sep 5 2009, 05:47pm)

102% fcr is imo worth it vs necs

after playing a period of time on a regular c/c trapper with 102 fcr, i never wanted to go back
hyb isn't very good with 102 fcr overal thats why i also don't play them