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May 1 2010 05:16am
Quote (kominpack @ 1 May 2010 12:22)
Ok nice.

Nothing about the jav skills to use though.

But anyways I'm using the faith grand mart bow and will have 95ias with 30frw/120/45, cats eye, kb/20ias gloves, and nosfers belt..

I'm loosing the 30dr from your build but will hit 7 frames with the grand marton. I'm also loosing that fhr and res from coa but making up for it in the stash.

Also I will require to no added str from gear to use all stuff. Will have about 120 base str, then put a 40ed/-15req jewel in ss + 20str from titans and it's enuf.

Only about 60 dex more needed to get max block with the 20dex from titans.. So all but 60 points to go into vitality.

But I did use build from the start to think about how to build my next zon!! Really was going to use coa/dungos at first and just go for 8 frames, but then couldn't sell my 30frw tiara, so changed.

Also, when you use a ward bow or something you loose 3 to the guided arrow as well.


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May 3 2010 07:36am
Quote (kominpack @ May 1 2010 05:01am)
With coa,fort, faith, anni and torch you only have 115 res. Where will you get the other 60+ to reach max in hell? Not all from some rare boots right?

I think you to sacrifice some max dmg scs for some res ones in stash..

Also, the anya quest is glitched isn't it? If you die once the res isn't counted anymore until you rejoin correct?


No, I don’t take any res into consideration or the calculations. The remainder of the res comes from rings the rare stat ring. The one I use has 9 res all, and they can have a lot more than that. Depending on your res needs you should be using 6-8x 20/5 sc. If you read through the guide you will notice that the amount of charms I recommend only adds up to 30 charms. When I copied and pasted the document to post it I just missed that line of text, by time I realized it the post could no longer be edited, ive explained this multiple times before. Also, you will be getting some res from your boots if you use rare boots like grim spurs. If you go with boots such as travs you can exchange some for the dmg on the boots for res charms in your inventory as well, in this case you might have 15x 20/5s or something. All depends on your exact needs.

Quote (kominpack @ May 1 2010 05:22am)
Ok nice.

Nothing about the jav skills to use though.

But anyways I'm using the faith grand mart bow and will have 95ias with 30frw/120/45, cats eye, kb/20ias gloves, and nosfers belt..

I'm loosing the 30dr from your build but will hit 7 frames with the grand marton. I'm also loosing that fhr and res from coa but making up for it in the stash.

Also I will require to no added str from gear to use all stuff. Will have about 120 base str, then put a 40ed/-15req jewel in ss + 20str from titans and it's enuf.

Only about 60 dex more needed to get max block with the 20dex from titans.. So all but 60 points to go into vitality.

But I did use build from the start to think about how to build my next zon!! Really was going to use coa/dungos at first and just go for 8 frames, but then couldn't sell my 30frw tiara, so changed.

Also, when you use a ward bow or something you loose 3 to the guided arrow as well.


Hmm, sounds like you built a glass cannon but then just put your attributes into vita instead? Yes, on ward/diamond/shadow bows you will be loosing +3 bow skills. At first this seems like a lot until you actually look at what youre loosing…
3 skills form guided arrow = 15% less ed
3 skills from multi arrow = 3 less arrows on your multi, but uses 3 less mana per shot

Not exactly massive amounts of dmg being lost here and your multi is still plenty big, I think I have like 12 arrows in my multi or something like that.

Quote (Tails chao @ May 1 2010 06:57am)
Cube BO doesn't make you lose +2 bo, you're meant to put Arachs/2x sojs/maras in the cube. o.o

/e well unless you mean losing spirit, but i prefer cta/ss over cta/spirit if i was gonna use cta on swap >_<

/e2 I like the irony of someone commenting about how enlightened they feel after finding out that "7 fpa is overrated" and then the guide owner recommending 7 fpa right after xD


When I refer to Cube BO loosing + 2 skills I mean you are loosing the spirit monarch. Sure, you could put a arach, 2x soj and maras in there…but you can also prebuff from your inventory using the same items. If people want to put + skill gear in their cube for a higher BO thats fine by me, I dont have any specific recommendations on this topic as i dont use it that often and it is more of something that others have recommend and is a good solution for people who are very concerned about having titans + SS on their switch constantly and would consider using a different guide based entirely on this issue. I have tried it before and it does work fine but i only use it when im in a game full of smiters/chargers and need that titans and ss constantly on switch. Rest of the time i keep spirit and cta on switch.

Please note how I refer to using a shadow/ward/diamond at 7 frames as an ALTERNATIVE to gmb at 8 frames, NOT ITS REPLACEMENT. Gmb at 8 frames is still a perfectly acceptable option and I often switch between bows based on who im dueling.

Quote (Soka_Gakkai @ May 1 2010 07:11am)
Hi, for number 3, can i ask why you choose a non-amazon specific class bow over a matriarchal bow? IS the average damage of the non-amazon bows that significant over the +3 to crossbow & bow skill that mat bow gives?


I chose a non-amazon bow because of the break points and its higher avg dmg than the mat bow. You loose +3 bow skills but that’s 15% ed on GA and 3 arrows off multi as explained, the higher avg dmg of diamond/shadow/ward outweighs the loss of skills.

Quote (Silver_Fang @ May 3 2010 09:46am)
I like the dmg on a 8fps gmb. But got a 7fps setup in my stash for the gmb vs nec's + hdins.

Only use shadow bow vs smiters, chargers and fc zons.

I have dueled with GMB at 8 frames for years (long before this guide was ever posted here) and i know for a fact that it works extremely well. GMB is a great hard hitting bow, but, there are situations where that little extra speed can make a difference in the outcome of a duel. The main thing i want people to understand is that I am not saying GMB at 8 frames is a bad choice or something ridiculous like that. Im simply saying that ward/diamond/shadow bows at 7 frames are an option as well. This gives the build a lot more freedom and personalization and opens it up to people who often looked to other builds entirely on the fact that there wasn't an option for hitting 7 frames.

This post was edited by Spartikis on May 3 2010 07:59am
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May 3 2010 07:46am
I like the dmg on a 8fps gmb. But got a 7fps setup in my stash for the gmb vs nec's + hdins.

Only use shadow bow vs smiters, chargers and fc zons.
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May 3 2010 07:51am
Quote (Spartikis @ 3 May 2010 14:36)
No, I don’t take any res into consideration or the calculations. The remainder of the res comes from rings the rare stat ring. The one I use has 9 res all, and they can have a lot more than that. Depending on your res needs you should be using 6-8x 20/5 sc. If you read through the guide you will notice that the amount of charms I recommend only adds up to 30 charms. When I copied and pasted the document to post it I just missed that line of text, by time I realized it the post could no longer be edited, ive explained this multiple times before. Also, you will be getting some res from your boots if you use rare boots like grim spurs. If you go with boots such as travs you can exchange some for the dmg on the boots for res charms in your inventory as well, in this case you might have 15x 20/5s or something. All depends on your exact needs.



Hmm, sounds like you built a glass cannon but then just put your attributes into vita instead? Yes, on ward/diamond/shadow bows you will be loosing +3 bow skills. At first this seems like a lot until you actually look at what youre loosing…
3 skills form guided arrow = 15% less ed
3 skills from multi arrow = 3 less arrows on your multi, but uses 3 less mana per shot

Not exactly massive amounts of dmg being lost here and your multi is still plenty big, I think I have like 12 arrows in my multi or something like that.



When I refer to Cube BO loosing + 2 skills I mean you are loosing the spirit monarch. Sure, you could put a arach, 2x soj and maras in there…but you can also prebuff from your inventory using the same items. If people want to put + skill gear in their cube for a higher BO thats fine by me, I dont have any specific recommendations on this topic as i dont use it that often and it is more of something that others have recommend and is a good solution for people who are very concerned about having titans + SS on their switch constantly and would consider using a different guide based entirely on this issue. I have tried it before and it does work fine but i only use it when im in a game full of smiters/chargers and need that titans and ss constantly on switch. Rest of the time i keep spirit and cta on switch.

Please note how I refer to using a shadow/ward/diamond at 7 frames as an ALTERNATIVE to gmb at 8 frames, NOT ITS REPLACEMENT. Gmb at 8 frames is still a perfectly acceptable option and I often switch between bows based on who im dueling.



I chose a non-amazon bow because of the break points and its higher avg dmg than the mat bow. You loose +3 bow skills but that’s 15% ed on GA and 3 arrows off multi as explained, the higher avg dmg of diamond/shadow/ward outweighs the loss of skills.


Yeah I realised that after lol
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May 17 2010 08:10am
thanks for info.
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Jun 16 2010 04:40pm
Believe it or not, read ALL the pages. Took me 2 weeks, but at least i had something to do at work ^_^

I actually built it, gear is far from perfect, but i am getting closer as fast as i can.

There is a problems regarding those 5frw charms, i mean they do not exist on europe ladder.

As for dueling, i am having real troubles with shield barbs, es sorceress and hybrid assasins. While ss barbs and hybrids looks at least possible, i still havent found a way to beat 95es fire soso(same case with mb pb necro, forgot to mention) who spawns on your face and spams fire balls at you.

But all in all great guide, i never liked glass canon, it just looks so stupid and nothing like an amazon, which is after all a woman warrior :O

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Jun 16 2010 04:43pm
this is the best guide out there for bowa zons :} vita > glass anyday thx.
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Jun 16 2010 05:04pm
crap guide bro
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Jun 18 2010 06:36am
Quote (k1ril @ Jun 16 2010 06:40pm)
Believe it or not, read ALL the pages. Took me 2 weeks, but at least i had something to do at work ^_^

I actually built it, gear is far from perfect, but i am getting closer as fast as i can.

There is a problems regarding those 5frw charms, i mean they do not exist on europe ladder.

As for dueling, i am having real troubles with shield barbs, es sorceress and hybrid assasins. While ss barbs and hybrids looks at least possible, i still havent found a way to beat 95es fire soso(same case with mb pb necro, forgot to mention) who spawns on your face and spams fire balls at you.

But all in all great guide, i never liked glass canon, it just looks so stupid and nothing like an amazon, which is after all a woman warrior :O


Yes, it is a lot to read but there is tons of really good information as well as updates to the guide that are worth taking a look at.

ES sorc are tough for a lot of character, especially one who stacks massive amounts of mana/life scs and uses mana pots during the duel. The best way to beat them is open wounds and poison. Its worth keeping some draculs around for these sorcs. Also, be sure to take advantage of your slow missile and any absorb that if considered GM on your realm.

When dueling hybrid sins or max block barbs use your titans and ss rather than bow. LF does the most damage but if youre having toubles hitting them lighting bolt is a skill that cant be blocked. Also, change from run to walk so your block is maxed rather than 1/3.

MB necros are tough, there really isn’t any simple way to beat them, just a lot of luck and determination I guess.

Keep in mind that every character type will have a weakness and a bowzon is no exception.

This post was edited by Spartikis on Jun 18 2010 06:39am
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Jun 27 2010 02:44pm
Is it a big loss if I use a coa 13dr instead 15?

I just found that 13dr one and would rather not spend all my stuff on something just slightly better.
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