I've had a wsg geddon druid on NL for a while and fire stack is somewhat uncommon. Its far more common to see bm pub hdins who will just win because they're using full belts of juvs, aa, marrows and chicken- even if geddon would 2-hit them on a normal setup. And then they'll go stash for 2x dwarf or hotspurs + stack, sure. Its certainly not a char for bm. But of the ones actually dueling, only a few wizspike setups are using stack by default, usually those geared to deal with blizz sorcs just incidentally stacking fire. Most gm dins using spirit builds have a particular weakness to fire resist and often aren't actually set up to deal with -resists when hotspurs / dwarfs are their main go-tos rather than stack gear, especially if they were getting fire resist on boots anyway.

it just takes advantage of the fact that both L and NL you're going to face more people who are geared expecting fireball sorcs and think they can win by just slapping on spurs or SoP. If he's got 95% max resist with 20 stack and is fighting a -10 res 22k fireball then sure it will make it tickle with 187 hp, but if you're facing -95 res 22k geddon it deals 2992 hp
I mean, who stacks fire resist on default setups? you gotta slap in sorb gear and at that point its just like any other ele build except they're less likely to have the sorb eq necessary

yes there are some truth to that. Its not normal to stack fire.
But i will only have:
-50 fr. Unless i go facets in helm.
But then i would really miss cnbf and shael for 86fhr or ber for the 8% dr.

17k fireclaw dmg, i would need to hit those palas quite a lot(none -res) xD
But as for switch side its like 3k fissure for me, and 1,8k volcano. With -50fire res, i can work vs ghosts, babas with none stack and bowas as well without stack.
Lets say i would bring them down to 25% res.(zero stack)
3000 * 0,17 * 0,75 = 382 pr hit.
And then the delay comes, cant shapechange for many seconds^^

Meanwhile fire claw:
17000 * 0,17 * 0,25 = 722 (vs 75res)
17000 * 0,17 * 0,10 = 289 (vs 90res)
17000 * 0,17 * 0,15 = 433 (vs 85res)

If palas are 75 res i can kill them with some luck, if they are 85 or 90 its gonna be hard to impossible^^

A nec forexample is different.
If i jump him, lets say he have 3,4k life.
3400 / 433 = 7 hits vs a typical SOP fpk nec. Which is done in a jiffy^^

Lets say pala have 4,8k life and 90 fr(sop + wws or hots):
4800 / 289 = 16 hits^^ (more if his oak is up) So basicly hard chance that not gonna happen^^

If a pala is 4800 life and 75fr then:
6,64 hits. That can go with some luck +4 rangeadder and shockwave.

So that bear is gonna have huge issues vs palas, babas, amas probarly.
But if i can lets say drop the fireclaw down to 16k ish, and get armageddon as backup and some luck with grizzly it would be better. Maby even sneak in some form of OW or facets, i dno^^

Other option is to get 19k ish fc dmg.
19000 * 0,17 * 0,1 = 323.
* 0,15 = 484
* 0,25 = 807

Or, just keep an ele eq in stash xD

I have 8 x ele 45 laying around, and i could add a ravenlore to try to pierce -75 fr vs palas.
Then i end up with like 6,8k fissure and 3k ish volcano.

This post was edited by gel87 on Dec 16 2019 03:46am

here's some research to do
look at your normal chars on whatever server and see what % fire resist they have stacked in hell (or no resists), just to get an idea of how much people stack fire in general
its just so hard to estimate the average build, the best I can do is look at my own

without swap gear:
trangs necro: +29% stack
damach zon: +31% stack
geddon druid: -29% resist (-104% stack, its a glass cannon)
es aurasorc: 24% resist (-51% stack, but 95% es)
nl shaman: +14% stack (and thats using aldurs boots as normal, yikes)
brawler: 74% resist (-1% stack, I was cheapskate on charms)
blaze sorc: -7% resist (-82% stack, glass cannon)
ghost: +11% stack
l shaman: +10% stack

now across all my chars, without going into swap / sorb gear (ofc, mandatory on the real chars), I'm still looking at 10-30% stack. That's what I've always shot for. You have a -75% FR setup and depending on shaman or fire druid or geddon druid, you could have 4.5k fissure for ~600 hp, 6.8k fissure for ~920 hp, or 22k geddon for ~3000 hp. You can see why I'm still on the fence even with my ladder non-ele gc shaman using 1 point geddon, because if it connects on facet side then even a level 24 geddon with only 41 points of damage synergy can hit for 5.7k damage -> 775 hp. Pretty substantial

also I think I might get 1 more life/fire sc for my ladder shaman as I complete his inventory, I expect a few fire sorcs with -20% resist. Even a lowly tals/spirit sorc with 3x facets is -30%

This post was edited by Goomshill on Dec 19 2019 08:29pm

Thanks for the breakdown Goomy! Are you talking about 20life/adds 20-29 fire dmg sc's? or something else

I guess my SP pvm chars could beat that druid easily bros sorry

and i guess my throwbarb can kill every1 of ur chars except barbs.

That my friend, is impressive you rock star you!