please provide numbers if you are going to say that grief is mathematically better

mdr or more hp is a matter of preference. in most cases the extra chunk of HP will be better. what if you are in an area where nothing is hitting you with magic?

and again back to the loh debate. i have gone over this for 10 pages now. i have already said yes you will kill a demon faster, but will be giving up a ton of other benefits.

and confuse procs very rarely for me. i see confuse up maybe once in a whole chaos clear

Giving up other benefits?

Leech; youll have leech and laek on grief, and perhaps ring too. Also belt got ll. Thats enough.

Life tap isnt needed that much. I wouldnt sacrifice ias and fire res for life tap. With lw's life tap you wont sacrifice these things. Alsl with fade youll gain extra res and dr% wich is helpfull too

In the other side:
Ias from loh is needed
Fire res too
Not to mention 350 dmg to demons, wich is powerfull, since 2/3 of the monsters are... demons

But grief still better then last wish imo. But both will work tho

This post was edited by Klaasje123 on Aug 21 2015 12:20pm

you can get 11 fr and 20 hp on a sc. you dont need ar with conviction, so yes you will lose a few charms with potentially 3 max damage to get some FR from your charms. I dont know about you but I cant afford 37x 3/20/20 anyway.

So there goes your fire res argument

As ive said 19 times now, if you are using edeath, dream hat, and dream shield. you will have to use a jewelers armor no matter what. that 20 ias on loh is not going to let you use a different armor. So unless you want to gimp yourself even further by using a different weapon, the ias is useless

so you are basically looking at the ED to demon compared to life tap, 10 LL, OW, and 15 stats.

ill stick with my glove thanks

and also what is stopping me from keeping a LOH in my stash and putting them on if im doing a demon heavy area?

11 pages and counting, awesome thread, haven't seen such discussion on a build in long time

sry but not counting the 50% crushing blow is foolish

its basically arguing about dracs vs loh lol

there is a lowbudget e-death ba + forti possibility

using:

sigon boots+ gloves (30 ias 10 lifeleech)
nosferatus
highlords

reaching 60 ias and u are able to use forti.

just for info

This post was edited by Beste on Aug 21 2015 01:24pm

I've already explained what offsets 50% cb in post #72

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=73112455&f=87&p=493584315

this is good info to add, i never thought of using 2 piece sigs. although i dont think gores should be replaced under any circumstances