Doesn't change the fact that I just proved that a Summonmancer has NO chance to win against ANY BvC with Life Tap, no matter what gear they use. The only chance you got at winning is if LT runs out mid-whirl, which doesn't happen with decent players.

So, got any other theories on how you plan to "easy" all BvCs?

you left out skeletons and mages, which reduce your total number of minions to...1. the whole idea of the character is bm, and it shouldn't be stickied. plus it requires almost zero skill, so there's that too.

No, you're wrong.

A summoner can only fail horribly as it depends on the zombies, quill rats and fallen in Blood Moor for summons. Thus, it cannot have any in the first place unless it pre-summons, which can be seen as extremely BM. Which means they require zero skill, as the only purpose of the build is to die. Which requires no skill as far as I know.

And there are some builds which a summonmancer can never defeat. Any melee with Life Tap, Lightning Sorc, Javazon, windy, fb sorc, blizz sorc, fohadin, trapsin, bowazon and fire druid. Which leaves you with Hammerdin and WC barb. Out of which WC barb at least is debatable.

isn't that what i said? that they're bm skillless trash that shouldn't be stickied? o_O

No, you said it requires almost zero skill. That means it requires at least some skill, thus it's not skilless, by definition. I, on the other hand, argued that technically speaking, they cannot require any skill as pre-summoning can be seen as rule-breaking, thus they cannot do that. And since all the Fallens, Zombies and Quill Rats will be dead in Blood Moor, they will have no summons. Thus, they require no skill. On the other hand, with no summons, they cannot defend themselves, thus their only option is to die. Which, in turn, requires no skill.

But yes, even without that, the learning curve on a summoner is something ridiculous, and as I pointed out, they can only beat a very small portion of all PvP builds.

By the way, good job on joining 366 days after I did.

This post was edited by olba on Mar 20 2008 12:21pm

...Stop spamming my thread, you wouldn't want your threads spammed. The sad part is that you've never made a summoner, or you would know what your talking about.

You obviously don't have much say in Summoners. I've dueled at least 5000 times with my summoner.

You say Lightning sorc, javazon, fb sorc, blizz sorc, foher, bowazon and fire druid are impossible...are you serious?

I've dueled 5000 times and only lost a handful to these characters....I know I've never lost to a bowazon, they just can't win.

Lightning sorcs are very easy.
Javazons are easy unless they are modding.
FB sorc's take some skill to duel against, but not impossible.
Blizz Sorc is not too bad. Revives eat them.
Foher's are easy unless the are modding.
Fire Druids are easy unless they are modding.

Dueling with a Summoner requires some skill, maybe not as much as other characters. And I'm pretty sure that Mages/Skeletons aren't considered bad manners. It's been a little while since I've dueled so they might have changed the rules.

This build is for people who like a challenge when they duel, not for someone like you who would rather duel with a GM cookiecutter build.

Oh, I've only created a 100% perfect summoner on Open and dueled with it for several hours.



5 000? That's a really small number, considering that I've had a BvC ever since the 1.11 was first released and my duel count would probably be around 5 or 6 digits, at least.



Chain Lightning and Infinity turns your summons into Toast.



Javas turn your skeletons into toast in a matter of seconds.



The splash damage from FB stuns both you and your skeletons, making them pointless.



And revives also happen to come built-in with a duration of 180 seconds. Any decent blizz sorc can stay on defense for that long.



The holy bolts from FoH will turn your skeletons, which are your main force, into a pile of dust.



Nope. Volcano and Fissure are extremely stunnable and Fissure has quite a nice radius. Making your summons stand still.



Oh yeah, I play on a BvC. Which I made before the huge popularity boost due to mcm's videos being posted on YouTube.

You avoided classes like Windy and all melees quite conviniently. Why so? Oh darn, you cannot beat them. Sorry for forgetting.

This post was edited by olba on Mar 20 2008 04:13pm

well...i mean technically it takes some skill to turn on the fuckin computer, or to breathe...just not very much.

anyway stop debating semantics. point is, they're bm, skillless, and crappy, and this shouldn't be stickied.

i love it

lol this guide is terrible and your strategies are all wrong. trap sins are so easy. (thats where I stopped reading cuz you have no idea what you are doing).

2nd

all you need is 20 udars and you can run uber trist no problem.