Quote (Ziecheik @ Tue, Aug 11 2009, 03:00pm)
but as I said where I dueled there are no such thing as non-teleporting zons, the average player has good enough reflexes and judgement to avoid slow fissure and not get lured in, and legit fc is not something uncommon with those players.
Yup yup. Its hard to really say in these sorts of guides, since I could either say "It will be a tough duel when they farcast and teleport!", but then a shaman crushing 9/10 cs zons he meets in pubs, and wonders wtf I was talking about. And then the crux of the whole thing revolves around an exploit, which is only argueable gm or not, and which will probably (hopefully) be patched in 1.13. Heh. About the ratings: they're really loose guidelines. Its not like I'm using thousands of duels of data, I'm just recalling how difficult it is in generalities. Like if I see two duel games on the list, one full of paladins and barbarians, and one full of sins/necros/sorcs, I'll join the sin/necro/sorc one. Overall I just tried to think; two competent individuals playing each other with relatively equal skill, who has the advantage? Its tough to say, since in some duels at low skill levels, its different than at high skill levels (hammer vs anything at low, hammer wins, hammer vs anything at high, anything wins)
So I guess instead of talking about vet vs vet or pub vs pub specifically, I was just trying to approximate it all in one big lumpy goo
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btw have you had any experience with team duels on your shaman? Ive found d2pk volcano druid to be surprisingly good in teams (2v2 or 3v3) (volcano + mindblast or volcano + amp, both rape in teams) not sure how well it would translate to bnet with the lower damage, but your thoughts/experiences with shaman in tpk?
(although I take it most of your experience using that char is just 1v1 or 1vpub)
Oh yes, I"ve dueled hundreds and hundreds of 4v4's (4v4gm a lot)
Its really not the best TvT character- I switch to my barb, or wish I had a bowazon, for those moments, but TvT is a much different landscape. I definitely agree that volcano + mindblast is one of the hideous combos that spawns in TvT (and a boon to delirium druids), but most of my shaman duels would end up like this:
1) Duel starts
2) I teleport around throwing a few fissures impotently
3) Some barb or necro chases me, I defwhore for a little bit
4) Everyone else dies, and it winds up a 1v1 or 1v2 or I'm already dead
5) *long drawn out 1v1*
I mean, I've had lots of games where I can carry it as our last alive and win 1v2 or 1v3, sure, but its not at all like playing a zon who can just spam multiarrows and pretend shes the heavy from TF2, my shaman at least, couldn't do very much with his allies. I mean you can survive and fight on your own just fine, but hes not a team contributor like captain battle orders/leap, or mr "hide in my hammerfield and get +500% damage!"
This post was edited by deathwinger on Aug 11 2009 02:12pm