Ladder Pvm Bowzon Guide By Whitereflection 07/09 - Topic

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Jul 29 2009 01:31pm

Helm: 15ias Andy Helm
Amulet: Highlords (Have Atmas on switch for Diablo)
Armor: Dusk Fort
Weapon: Wf Shael'd
Gloves: LoH
Boots: Travs
Belt: Razor Tail
Ring 1: Ravenfrost
Ring 2: +18str, 8ll and other mods.
Switch: Eth Titans + Hel'd SS

With Faith merc
armor: Treachery
Helm: V Gaze

Any thoughts on my setup? need opinions from pros

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#102

Jul 29 2009 01:47pm

Quote (ChuckVinLee @ Wed, Jul 29 2009, 07:31pm)

You have 95 IAS, so you can hit the 7 FPA bp if your merc faith has 13+ fana.

IMO. you can get more damage if you switch out the Andy for a 45/120, you don't really need the life leech from Andy because your second ring has it, and +2 skill doesn't do ZON much good.
You can probably hit 5-6k with this setup, if you want more damage you have to get Might merc + pride.

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Jul 29 2009 04:44pm

This is not a stab at your build... just a little bit of insight to the items you have selected and some of the skills chosen.
At the end is a table I use in my Guide... I see yours is listed.

The use of Highlords as your #1 Ammy choice is not needed at all... you already reach the ideal IAS bp...
Atmas' is the only best solution for your build... as you can see for yourself... also... if you constantly use Atmas... you will not need
the Lightning Res because you will be killing them off faster.
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I would not agree on the D/A/E being skilled up after the main ones... they should not even be considered for PvM... even though you are a Glasscannon build.
You state that your Speed and Damage is supreme for a bowazon (I do not disagree)... so why the need to get 50% in those skills when you should be killing off
monsters faster than them being a threat?
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Penetrate: This is a good skill, but you should not have to invest 20 points into this... you should ONLY invest points into this if you do not get a 75% chance to hit Diablo AFTER
your character being equipped. Even though you see 95% chance to hit monsters... you may have gone over that %, and the LCS just shows 95% because the game mechanics
relay that 95% chance is the maximum chance to hit... even if you had 100% chance to hit... you only have 95% chance... there is ALWAYS a 5% chance to miss.
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Pretty muchidentical to what I posted:
Check the last columnsetup in the table:

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Bow : Windforce (open) Windforce (open) Windforce (shael) Windforce (40/15) Windforce (40/15)
Helm : Andy's (40/15) Gaze (40/15) Gaze (40/15) 120/45 | 25Str Circ 120/45 | 25Str Circ
Armor: Fortitude Fortitude Fortitude Fortitude 160/60/100 life AP
Belt : Razortail Razortail Razortail Razortail Razortail
Glove: Lay of Hands Lay of Hands Lay of Hands Lay of Hands Lay of Hands
Ammy : Highlords Cats Eye Atma's Scarab Atma's Scarab Atma's Scarab
Ring1: Ravenfrost Ravenfrost Ravenfrost Ravenfrost Ravenfrost
Ring2: Rare/Craft 15Str Rare/Craft 15Str Rare/Craft 15Str Rare/Craft 15Str LL Rare/Craft 15Str+LL
Boots: War Trav War Trav War Trav War Trav War Trav
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KB: Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
ML: 6-8% 12-16% 12-16% 6-8% 6-8%
LL: 8-10% 6-8% 6-8% ??% ??%
DS: Yes No No No No
Amp: No No Yes Yes Yes
DR: No 15-20% 15-20% No No
FRW: 25% 55% 25% 25% 25%
IAS: 95% 95% 95% 100% 160%
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Rogue Merc Wielding lvl 14+ Faith Bow: Frames Per Attack = Attacks Per Second
Fpa: 7 = 3.57aps 7 = 3.57aps 7 = 3.57aps 7 = 3.57aps N/A
Fpa: 4/3/3/3/6 Strafe 4/3/3/3/6 Strafe 4/3/3/3/6 Strafe 4/3/3/3/6 Strafe N/A

Might Aura Merc Wielding Pride Polearms: Frames Per Attack = Attacks Per Second
Fpa: 9 = 2.77aps 9 = 2.77aps 9 = 2.77aps 9 = 2.77aps 8 = 3.12aps
Fpa: 5/3/3/3/7 Strafe 5/3/3/3/7 Strafe 5/3/3/3/7 Strafe 5/3/3/3/7 Strafe 4/3/3/3/7 Strafe
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Resistences Hell Difficulty, INCLUDES: Perfect Anni/Torch/Anya Quests & Items
FR: +15-20% +35-50% +35-50% +35-50% +20%
LR: +30-35% -05-00% -05-00% -05-00% -30%
CR: -05-00% -05-00% -05-00% -05-00% -30%
PR: +65-70% -05-00% +70-75% +70-75% +50%
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STR : ADD 20* ADD 49* ADD 49* ADD 24* ADD 24*
STR : 134 Total 134 Total 134 Total 134 Total 134 Total

VZon: 105 Dex 130 Dex 105 Dex 105 Dex 105 Dex
VZon: 485 Vita 456 Vita 456 Vita 481 Vita 481 Vita
VZon: 1563 Life 1476 Life 1476 Life 1511 Life 1611 Life

HZon: 400 Dex 396 Dex 371 Dex 396 Dex 396 Dex
VIT : ADD 130 ADD 130 ADD 130 ADD 130 ADD 130
HZon: =200 Vita =200 Vita =200 Vita =200 Vita =200 Vita
HZon: 718 Life 718 Vita 718 Vita 718 Life 818 Life

GZon: 520 Dex 516 Dex 491 Dex 516 Dex 516 Dex
GZon: 70 Vita 70 Vita 70 Vita 70 Vita 70 Vita
GZon: 328 Life 328 Life 328 Life 328 Life 428 Life

If you notice... the Circlet is slightly different...
Reason why Strength is a good option on that is because of two (2) Reasons:
1... It is cheaper to buy, than one with Dexterity
2... When it comes to Stats for a Windforce bowazon... the Strength/Dexterity can go both ways... Got Str Item... more dexterity points... Got Dexterity item... need str to hold WF
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Your build works ... I will have to concur with some of the other statements:
It is not CHEAP... 8x 40/15's are hard to come by... then there is the Armor and Helm to place them into.
If you are buying the items with the jewels in them... once again it is too pricey...
Charms alone are expensive...

Starting New ladder season... your option would be impossible to complete without MAJOR funds or people that dupe that you know.
Luck only stretches so far...

Additional Cheaper options when I start my characters are simple items... like 15% ias jewels just for the ias...

Anyway... hope you take some notes on what has been mentioned...
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Quote (WhiteReflection @ Thu, Jul 30 2009, 07:47am)

I think you should reconsider the mention of the +2 Skills on Andy's:
+2 to Penetrate ... <--

helps with AR
+2 to Strafe... <--

more dmg
+2 Multiple Shot... <--

more arrows/spread
+2 Guided Arrow... <--

more dmg
+2 Dodge... <--

more def
+2 Evade... <--

more def
+2 Avoid... <--

more def
+2 Decoy... <--

Better life to last longer
+2 Valk... <--

better tank that cost nothing
+2 Pierce... <--

Better chance of pierce
+2 Crit Strike... <--

better chance to do double damage
+2 Battle Orders...More life/mana and longer length of BO
+2 Battle Command...Longer length of an extra skill for your character: DAE/Strafe/Multi/GA/VALK/Decoy

ALSO: + Strength... helps with holding WF... same point difference with stats even if compared with a Dex Helm.
... Save 2 Skill points for better use
More LL is even better...

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Jul 29 2009 04:55pm

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#104

Jul 29 2009 05:52pm

Quote (izParagonzi @ Wed, Jul 29 2009, 05:44pm)

ALSO: + Strength... helps with holding WF... same point difference with stats even if compared with a Dex Helm.
... Save 2 Skill points for better use
More LL is even better...

Also you can take it off if you want to equip a bow that requires less strength, like brand

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Jul 29 2009 08:55pm

Quote (izParagonzi @ Wed, Jul 29 2009, 10:44pm)

I think you should reconsider the mention of the +2 Skills on Andy's:
+2 to Penetrate ... <--

helps with AR
+2 to Strafe... <--

more dmg
+2 Multiple Shot... <--

more arrows/spread
+2 Guided Arrow... <--

more dmg
+2 Dodge... <--

more def
+2 Evade... <--

more def
+2 Avoid... <--

more def
+2 Decoy... <--

Better life to last longer
+2 Valk... <--

better tank that cost nothing
+2 Pierce... <--

Better chance of pierce
+2 Crit Strike...better chance to do double damage
+2 Battle Orders...More life/mana and longer length of BO
+2 Battle Command...Longer length of an extra skill for your character: DAE/Strafe/Multi/GA/VALK/Decoy

ALSO: + Strength... helps with holding WF... same point difference with stats even if compared with a Dex Helm.
... Save 2 Skill points for better use
More LL is even better...

+ skills is not very significant on zons:
Dodge/Avoid/Evade receive diminish returns from + skills when you reach a certain point; and each 1~2 skill point only adds like 1% extra evasion. Same goes for Pierce, critical strike (once you hit 71% extra + skill here doesn't do much...)
+ 2 battle order is only 6% extra hp, with a glass cannon build (plastic cannon in my case since I have 1k+ hp

) it's only like 50 hp because the base life is really low.
+2 strafe = 10% enhanced damage

As you can see, you get much much more damage from a 45 IAS/120 ED/30 dex helm compare to a 15 IAS jeweled Andys.

You might be right about penetration, if you have a good 10K ar, you should be able to hit most things except end bosses like Diablo/Baal --- Especially Baal, amp only last few seconds on him and he has extremely high defense/Hp and it can take a while.

I am not very familiar with the economy on other ladder realms, but right now people are flooding ESCL with duped jewels, you can get 15 IAS/40 ed for 15 fg each -.-

Proof here: http://forums.d2jsp.org/index.php?showtopic=33519846&f=169

7 of those is only like 100 fg, most people should be able to afford.

This post was edited by WhiteReflection on Jul 29 2009 08:59pm

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Jul 30 2009 09:03am

personally i read through the whole argument between all u guys...and from what i have seen the build that white reflection has put up for sale is an interetsing build that u should try and see if u like it it...if not then dont worry about it...i am going to try it out myself and see what happens...thanks alot very helpful

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Jul 30 2009 02:53pm

Quote (Dadio42 @ Thu, Jul 30 2009, 03:03pm)

Thank you.

It's a very effective build that does massive (7K+ multie/9K+ Guided) damage without a perfect inventory , and you can actually solo Hell Chaos in a full game with this zon (I have done it many times just by joining pub games like "Ladder duels" etc).

Unlike others have claimed, it's not a very expensive build as you can get 7 X 15/40 Jewels for merely ~100 fg on ESCL: http://forums.d2jsp.org/index.php?showtopic=33519846&f=169

On the side note:
Watch out for groups of monsters that have Fanaticism aura + haste when you are cursed with amplified damage, they can make short work of your 1k hp when they are on your face. When they do charge up, hope your dodge/evade can save your ass.

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Jul 30 2009 02:56pm

worked out very well
ty man!
10/10

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Jul 30 2009 04:07pm

sexy guide

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Jul 30 2009 05:33pm

Quote (WhiteReflection @ Thu, Jul 30 2009, 02:55pm)

I think you missed the point about the +Skills on Andys helm.
I understand the diminishing return factors in all those skills...
But the +2 Skills helps with SAVING your skill points to put into other areas that could be more effective.
How does it save points?... simple really... example... Crit Strike: You will reach the same % (percentage) with only 18 points invested.

Anyway... just another thing to look at...
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Yes you would get 80% more ED on your helm compared to Andy's Visage (40/15)...
But... I get 140% more ED from Fortitude compared to your 160/60 Armor...
Lets see: 120 ed + 160 ed (your setup) = 280 ed
40 ed + 300 ed (my setup) = 340 ed
That means I do 60% more damage than you.
Now you might want to argue that you have 30% ed from your 30 Dexterity WRONG... because the 30 Strength from Andys means 30 points Dexterity... they cancel each other out.

Edit: When Amp is cast... even for 1-2 seconds... get a Crit (double dmg)... then amped foe... dang dmg almighty.

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I am not doubting the prices being low... it is understandable... Patch 1.13 will be released hopefully soon... so they are selling off items cheap.
Try and buy those items in the MIDDLE of a new ladder season... they will not be that price. As for Non Ladder... the prices are even cheaper.
So that means during ladder... they want to get more fg before those items go to non ladder.
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Quote (Dadio42 @ Fri, Jul 31 2009, 03:03am)

I know this build works... there is nothing different about it... you can pretty much find this setup in the PVP guides...
Do try it...

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Jul 30 2009 05:48pm

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