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Quote (NEEDdemRARES @ Fri, Jul 10 2009, 05:09pm)
interesting. what are your gears looking like? pure zvz or hybrid?


Pure zvz.
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Jul 10 2009 09:41pm
Zons are FAR from hopeless against BMers..
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Zons are FAR from hopeless against BMers..


Really? You're naked in town and you have a smiter + trap sin guarding outside. What are your chances of surviving?
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Really? You're naked in town and you have a smiter + trap sin guarding outside. What are your chances of surviving?


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Quote (manduki @ Sat, Jul 11 2009, 04:09pm)
Really? You're naked in town and you have a smiter + trap sin guarding outside. What are your chances of surviving?


If you are naked and theres a trap sin outside town camping your corpse then it doesn't matter what class you are cuz you are probably going to die anyway so you should just rejoin. Unless you left multiple corpses in which case rejoining = losing some of your gear. Moral of the story: don't pub if you leave multiple corpses when you die.

For other BM faginess it really depends on what sort of BM it is.

This post was edited by Addiktive on Jul 11 2009 10:49am
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ZVZ~
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Jul 11 2009 10:11pm
very nice guide,,
i love it!!
but isnt fbr needed for zvz duel?
so,, maybe stormshield is better idk,

but very gg guide
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Best time to use strafe?
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Jul 12 2009 04:58pm
This the the part that I totally disagree with:

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Switch Shield: 4 soc monarch with -30 req's (jah jah jah jah'd), 3 soc jeweler's xxx of colossus (ber, ber, ber'd) 3 soc jeweler's xxx of colossus (jah jah jah'd),
I'm assuming you can afford one of these shields. Storm Sheild requires too much strength and doesn't offer as much as any of these shields. If you don't believe me, post and i'll explain more indepth.


If your using a titans, then your faster block rate goes like this:

Amazon - Any other weapon other than 1 handed swinging ~ (javs don't swing =)
FBR Frames
0% 5
13% 4
32% 3
86% 2
600% 1

a Jewelers shield without jmod such as the jewelers of colossus has no faster block rate. And if you jah jah jah it or ever ber ber ber it. It still has no faster block rate.

This shield pick of yours was in your ZvA guide and ZvZ guide. I don't see any hint of FBR on any of the items you've stated.

Your build also revolves around 7 fpa. If your dueling anyone with 7 fpa and your block rate is at Zero... Your going to block so slow that you'll get hit much more.

Storm shield > Any of the shields you've mentioned. Switch it up, get a jmod'd shield with shael (reach 3 frame fbr) then go with anything you'd like. I'd recommend a jmod'd tower with ber, shael, dol.

Also you got your faster block rate tables messed up:

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Faster Block Rate (vs. 1H swinging weapons) Faster Block Rate (vs. 1H thrusting weapons)
Frame 5 4 3 2 1
FBR needed 0% 13% 32% 86% 600%


Its Faster block rate *using* 1 hand swinging weapons. Not against 1 hand swinging weapons.

I'm sure this will kind of confuse most people. So lets put it this way, I know most of you play other realms that have modified items. Why is it bm for a player to use a cta in jav form?

~because it increases their block rate, as seen above in the chart I posted.
~your build already calls for titans, which is the right wep to use. So that needs some fixing.

Also I really don't see any ZvZ strategies?!

ZvZ is pretty much all skill involved, some items ~ assumed that you have 150+ frw.

At least mention the different between low cursor and high cursor shots, IGA's, ya know the basics.

Post a reply to this ^ and I'll grade your build from there.


Quote (OxygenS @ Sat, Jul 11 2009, 11:11pm)
very nice guide,,
i love it!!
but isnt fbr needed for zvz duel?
so,, maybe stormshield is better idk,

but very gg guide


YES! FBR is essential for a ZvZ duel, and even more so if you get caught by a ww with shield up. Your defense is low enough, that his AR which should be high already will ITD it. Your left to block, he'll probably hit at least 4 times in 1 ww.
You wanna block all those hits or no?

This post was edited by Breaka on Jul 12 2009 05:01pm
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