no, ww does not function that way. you get 5 hitchecks in 12 frames. (12 first frames) and that is assuming (theorycrafting) that you are in range ALL the time for those 12 frames.. there is no person in b.net that can constantly do perfect tri-whirls. dtalon > ww against certain opponents, period.

if they teleport "fast enough" your ww won't hit them either. or you may get in 1 hitcheck which will miss, due to your pathethic 2k ar.

I think it's 7 in the first 13 frames =/ not totally positive. After the first attack, though, it's 2 attacks every 4 frames. And I'm not arguing that there are opponents where dtalon is better. In fact I think I just said that.

As far as teleporting "fast enough"....well, look at it this way. a 7-frame-teleporting sorc will never get hit by someone nl-dtaloning. It's not possible. Why? the sorc is only in one place for 7 frames. even if the assassin gets lucky and teleports on top of her just as her telport action frame finishes (so she has 7 frames before another one), the assassin still has 5 frames for HER teleport action to finish, then 7 before the kick hits. 12 frames, the sorc is long gone. With whirlwind, in the same sitaution, the assassin waits 5 frames for the cast animation to finish, then begins the whirlwind and gets 1 hitcheck before the sorc leaves. not necessarily very good odds of hitting, but at least there's a chance.

Of course, it's impossible to always get a hitcheck, if you teleport 1 frame before your opponent teleports then you can't hit them with ANYTHING. but at least with whirlwind there's always a chance for a hitcheck, that's all I'm saying. kicks are plenty viable, I just prefer ww.

who would be dumb enough to dtalon a fleeing sorc WITHOUT any kind of stunlock? besides it's 9 frames for ww too, tough luck. 5 for teleport to finish and 4 for first hitcheck.

learn ww mechanichs before you 'think' anything.

well versus extremely defensive sorcs/necs it can be very useful to get a potential OW hit while they're running.

I'd like to know where you get the 4 frames for first hitcheck info? haven't heard of that, athough it's possible ofc.

EDIT: hmm, arreat summit seems to say 4 frames although I don't totally trust them =/

This post was edited by darcanegel on Jul 15 2008 01:29pm

ww hits every 4 frames... first hitcheck is 4th frame (only 1 weapon), then both weapons at 8th and again both weapons at 12th frame.

thus

still didn't answer my question of WHERE you got the info.

btw, i rechecked and it's 4 frames after the cast, so it's 8 frames for ww and 11 for dtalon.

morotsjos

doesn't change anything. like you said, sorc teleporting at 7 frames

necs are 9. and they're more annoying.

EDIT: and ofc most sorcs aren't 200 fcr anyway.

This post was edited by darcanegel on Jul 15 2008 01:38pm

you still can't deny that dt is superior in certain matchups.

holy crap.