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Dec 29 2022 09:11pm
Here's a relevant post:
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=95732216&f=148&p=621171405

Interesting idea on 2x Grief. I will test it a little when I get time.

War Spike needs 42 total ias for 4 fpa ww (BA needs 63). I've been trying GriefZ w/ Fortitude War Spike oh in some match ups for the FCR, res, life, def... this set up will let you hit 63 fcr and still have tons of open wounds which can be nice vs ES, bone armor, etc. Haven't felt crippled by the range at all.
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I've been using um wizzy and beastz
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Quote (Sidgy @ Dec 29 2022 03:16pm)
Its a bvc topic . Who duel smiters barb and java as BvC ? Its like the most boring and handicaped matchups ever loool


A bvc should be able to duel a smiter. but whatever waste some rune and make a bad char idc.
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Dec 30 2022 05:31am
Quote (L8knightResurrected @ Dec 30 2022 12:12pm)
A bvc should be able to duel a smiter. but whatever waste some rune and make a bad char idc.


able yes
fun ? not
the definition of a barb vs caster is to hunt down caster not to duel melee lol
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Dec 30 2022 06:43am
I started on a Excel document for it, plan was to have ias calcs including slow values etc, then damage, then hit chance based upon enemy level and defense and finally dps... but im on Phone and it was so much back and forth as i dont remember all formulas and takes time to write them on Phone, and specially modify with rounding due to auto functions etc... so I gave up and can make a good one on pc one Day... much easier wirh 2 screens and jumping between Excel docs and internet sites etc on pc xD

Anyway:
If u want to maintain 2fpa wirl vs necs 50% golem slow by using war spike you need 92ias it seems.

Hl + 40ias grief war spike + 40ias beast war spike + /120ed/45ias/20fcr diadem could be a viable 63fcr/2fpa wirl setup vs nec.

Supplement with arach, trangs, 10fcr ring, with/naturens, gores or shadow if want fhr other than from scs/lc.

Also:
I dont see dual grief beeing any better than grief beast.
In d2r if your Main hand hits it Will use that hitchance for all the strikes on that wirl, meanwhile if it miss it Will use other wep hitchance the entire wirl. So ur grief is basicly the one with -12,5% enemy def and is buffed from fana as well...

This post was edited by gel87 on Dec 30 2022 06:49am
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Quote (gel87 @ Dec 30 2022 01:43pm)
I started on a Excel document for it, plan was to have ias calcs including slow values etc, then damage, then hit chance based upon enemy level and defense and finally dps... but im on Phone and it was so much back and forth as i dont remember all formulas and takes time to write them on Phone, and specially modify with rounding due to auto functions etc... so I gave up and can make a good one on pc one Day... much easier wirh 2 screens and jumping between Excel docs and internet sites etc on pc xD

Anyway:
If u want to maintain 2fpa wirl vs necs 50% golem slow by using war spike you need 92ias it seems.

Hl + 40ias grief war spike + 40ias beast war spike + /120ed/45ias/20fcr diadem could be a viable 63fcr/2fpa wirl setup vs nec.

Supplement with arach, trangs, 10fcr ring, with/naturens, gores or shadow if want fhr other than from scs/lc.

Also:
I dont see dual grief beeing any better than grief beast.
In d2r if your Main hand hits it Will use that hitchance for all the strikes on that wirl, meanwhile if it miss it Will use other wep hitchance the entire wirl. So ur grief is basicly the one with -12,5% enemy def and is buffed from fana as well...


on d2r first hit on whirlwind is based on both weapons though
take ur time isnt hurry im testing ingame when i will find a necro lol

+ agaisnt nec grief war spike 37+ ias/beast with ias jool + hl keep you at 11 fpa zerk after slow vs 12 fpa with ba
might be worth to use
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Dec 30 2022 07:07am
Smiter with dracs and exile +50dr here

will duel bvcs for fun :D



ya its no fun dueling smiters esp with tap, its just so l8zy trying to clip and avoid lifetap
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Dec 30 2022 07:20am
Quote (Haseo @ Dec 30 2022 02:07pm)
Smiter with dracs and exile +50dr here

will duel bvcs for fun :D



ya its no fun dueling smiters esp with tap, its just so l8zy trying to clip and avoid lifetap


ww is delayed on d2r so its boring
smiters was no match on lod with str bug whirls xd
still doable though

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Dec 30 2022 07:26am
Quote (Sidgy @ Dec 30 2022 07:20am)
ww is delayed on d2r so its boring
smiters was no match on lod with str bug whirls xd
still doable though


ya if u just ww south str bug they cant do anything, but at the same time, they can simply sit there and not chase you if u do that lol
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Dec 30 2022 07:27am
Quote (Haseo @ Dec 30 2022 07:26am)
ya if u just ww south str bug they cant do anything, but at the same time, they can simply sit there and not chase you if u do that lol


Use Doom B) Any Smiter in a pvp game deserves it.
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