People here loves paradigms. Most of the time you can hear that Spirit is a bis and Phoenix is a trash.

If you are the mana pot guy then Spirit is a BiS. No doubt. But good luck with maek which doesn't work well at all on p8 and terrors.
Otherwise Phoenix is a great option for QoA.

if you are struggling with mana, use 20-20 monarch
more damage = less mana needed and more mana gained with maek

No.

Spirit is significantly Better

did your parents pull you out of school early? I took a shit yesterday that had a better sense of logic than what you're displaying here

java so op u can use phoenix for more ez gameplay

i like Moser's Blessed Circle or Head Hunter's Glory, paired with tstrokes and tg belt for all areas beside cows.

Just wanted to let tou guys know that i decided to go for phoenix after all.

Absolutely loving it, havent used a pot today, very fun shield. 1 fcr bp doesnt really make a huge difference for me, resistances are also sort of less felt than what i expected.

Thanks for all the inputs guys!

fenix = might sometimes be fun in pvm
spirit = bis for all situations basically

exactly. i always reccommend phoenix for pvm java.
you still have more than enough damage to kill everything, and you never need to pot.

pheonix is great for pvm java. the sustain with such a fast clear speed is nice.
pvp wise, go for jmod.