lol nobody ever uses that

so you want something new/unused in a 20+ year old game, that will win even if your not very good?

good luck... if it were good and easy to play ppl would use it lol

psn nova nec
lite sorc
tele-zeal pally
fire druid
throw barb
javazon
kick sin

there is an off-meta pvp build for each class that can work, but there's a reason meta things are meta

3hybrid tele ama might not be so unusual theese days, but its both fun and good!
Tele fury can work to some extend. Rabies is shit now, believe me i tried... So u have 40 more skills... I guess u can max out whatever u can into grizzly + how for summon + shape hybrid.
Murder din is fun, tele zeal+smite+bow is actually pretty strong and fun.
VT i guess is to common.

There are lots of fun assa hybrids and wierd setups, but without stun its a little MEH...

Java is actually not new, but its not much used but really strong now.

Else i have a love for enchant sorcs... But they require some specific rare to be well made in my point of view...
Zeal charges rare fools pb / lower res charges rare fools knife / Psn dagger charget's rare fools knife / psn dagger fcr ring.

Made some stuff here, the rabies did not work as exspected in d2r. Patch notes clearly dont show the entire picutre xD
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=94840990&f=87

This post was edited by gel87 on Sep 24 2022 09:56am

I'm good just not a pro. I struggle with multi-tasking lol. With virtually having unlimited FG I figure with the right gear an unorthodox build can still be GG. For instance I had a melee ES sorc that was sick back in 08

Have you tried hdin?

Asking for a gg build that can win in pvp in a +20 year old game is like asking for fighting tips with 1 hand tied behind your back vs professional fighters.
Unless you playing vs your 10 year old brother or someone with a disability on pubs there is no non meta that is viable in competitive scene.

Now 1k fg is appreciated for delivering cold hard truth.

This post was edited by addone on Sep 24 2022 08:53pm

Precisely. Unless you are a lot better player skill wise then your opponent it will be harder to win. It's essentially playing with intentional handycap. You can sport a badly geared and underleveled hdin and still win but that is a play style of afk spam desynch. Even then a good player will put you in your place.

Well, you can do that now too. Hardest part to find is those melee wepons:
ias/fool's/zeal charged pb
ias/fool's/psn dagger -20wsm knife
ias/fool's/lower res dagger -20wsm knife

Epic fcr ring with psn dagger skill (combi lr + psn dagger buff)

Self wielding infinity war schyte is a way as well (+4 range adder, -10wsm). Will give -85fr and -140lr if perf, as well as frw and crushing blow and lowers enemy def.

For ranged choices there are some as well.
Warshrike (pierce, can wear dual dream meanwhile, can have max block, ctc nova which could be syntenergized as well, and is already buffed by light mastery)
Widowmaker (ignore def and autoaim)
Brand (ignores block and def, explode)
Demon crossbow (explode and pierce, ignore def and block)

Dont forget lvl 1 blaze to run like mad man.

Psn dagger Sorc aka melee sorc:
Made now PSN DAGGER SORK!
https://d2.maxroll.gg/d2planner/gb01068n

No precast is involved, venom from arach is equipped.

Stats speaks for itself:
75% es (if u bother precast u get: 6 more from es memory, 3 more from helm, 1 more from ammu, 1 more from secondary soj, 2 more from 3es ormus = 88%. I did not even bother making it xD)
20 base tk
U can also go all in and precast enchant: 5 more Chant/fire mastery orb, 9 more via skillers, 3 more via helm(and 2 facets), 1 more via ammu, 3 more via 3ench ormus and 20% FEUER, 1 more magefist, 1 more secondary soj. = 25 more skills to fire mastery and enchant and 30% fire increase on top.
75% block
3,2k mana
1,3k life
good resists

Oki now dmg profiles(no chest precast).
Venom/Psn dagger psn damage: 945-1163 over 3,6 seconds(remember the -100 plr in hell)
Light damage: 115-66600
Fire damage: 2045-2416
Cold dmg: 1-6
physical dmg: 64-479
Sums up at: 3170 - 70739 damage!
Attacks per second: 9pfa aka 2,77 attacks pr second.

Thunder storm: 2548-3190

Holy shock aura:
6-3368 at long range
12-6736 at close range
and ofc 2 ticks of this pr time.

Lr cast from knife:
-43 enemy res.

Ofc u can choose or find sword with same stats but zeal charges.

Attack raing base: 75+1630+1733+120 = 3558
Bonuses:
Enchant: 299%
Psn dagger: 110%
Zeal: 40%

Full ar on psn dagger: 18110

Zeal attackspeed and ar:
3,28 attacks per second.
Full ar on zeal: 15619

This post was edited by gel87 on Sep 27 2022 04:00am

Im aware there is a billion items in inventory there.. So i made a new one, and improved a little bit:
Here it is with zero precast. The ar will be around 18,1k once psn dagger is used. And zeal around 15,6k once that is used instead.
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/5j0206hq

Here it is max precasted:
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/xy0206x3
(this planner dont handle precast correctly. Enchant is casted with 497% ar instead of 299% ar. As well as it had 40% fire dmg add which is huge since i only have like 107% from firemastery, and at a higher firemastery level which i did not check. Giving it WAY higher fire damage than current. Ur real damage should be around 76k+ on melee.... And your AR should be around 20k+ with lvl 5 psn dagger from ring). Es should be 91.)

I can check them again...

497% from enchant. 4681 damage on enchant skill (dno what it does with facets yet on this planner, but lets not bother with that now)
AR psn dagger strike: 3558 * (1+((497+110)/100)) = 25155 ar with 9 fpa = 2,77 attacks per second
AR zeal strike: 3558 * (1+((497+40)/100)) = 22664 ar with 6/7/11 fpa serie. 25/((6+7+11)/3) = 3,125 attacks per second

Damage from fire should be:
4681 * (1+(107/100)) = 9689
Instead of the 2396 without precast.

So real total damage output is 69625 - 2369 + 9689 = 76K
1163 of those are poison damage, but scales the double vs most enemies in hell (those who dont have plr gear)

Ofc i added bow as well.
Bow will have those 4681 fire damage + 4218 light dmg.
Brand = explotion unblockable which KB
Demon machine = Piercing unblockable explotions.
Widowmaker = homing missle, blockable, but nn ar.

Warshrike stats:
Same melee damage as the others. (76k)
Ranged damage: 10400 light + 4681 fire
Pierce
50% deadly strike and physical damage is then: 203 * (1+(358/100)) = 929 with 50% chance to double.
ctc lvl 9 nova which deals very little dmg.
Melee and ranged ar precasted: 1825 * 5,97 = 10,9k

So u can find ur tactic vs the hard ones like hammerdin and smiter.
Either try to attack hammer with blaze fuelled frw from below after he tried to jump u...
1. Southwalk
2. He jumps
3. Attack from below
4. +0 and +1 rangeadder wepons keep u in blindzone
or
Tele in blindzone and attack
Additional 3k thunderstorm and 3,4k shock aura at long range and 6,7k at close range x 2 due to 2 tics.

Or
3k thunderstorm
1,6k aura, double close up (1 tic)
+ bow of any kind...

I would just stay melee, look for a chance to punish, and let thunderstorm + auratics do the most. Auratics with 2 x dream = most likely more dps than bow...

Crossbow with -60wsm gives automatic 10fpa i think with ur gear.
Brand -10 wsm = Need to much ias, u should use -60 wsm crossbow... I will change that.
Widowmaker shael = Crap ias.

Those scs are ofc nearly impossible to find.
So u will only loose 2k melee dmg by not having light base dmg in them.

Ias breaks:
Psn dagger/normal attack knife -20wsm = 89 for 9 fpa
Throw -20 wsm dagger = 78 for 11fpa
Zeal phaseblade = 65 ias for 6/7/11 fpa (so u dont need the shael, but can be decent to stack vs some slow)
Norm attack phaseblade = 48 for 10 fpa

This post was edited by gel87 on Sep 27 2022 07:13am

Sry its 11fpa for cross bow.
Chu ko nu = 8 ias needed for 11 fpa.
Ward bow = needs to much ias... Ur entire build would change... With 45ias to 60ias armor and 20ias gloves etc... NN

Forgot to say it need to be Chu ko nu, u dont have str for elite version..

Fully updated.
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/y4010619

Build can ofc also be made as none block, but at a pretty heavy loss of AR ofc as well as its nice to have block^^
The nb version would have 4,1k mana instead of 3,1k

This post was edited by gel87 on Sep 27 2022 07:22am

i got another 1. Frog barb! max leap attack. max bo. max blade mastery. 1 point throw res is rw masteries. 1 point to all combat skills. the rest the points go to leap, or battle cry, or defensive skills. gear 2 unbending wills, areats face, 2 bk rings, 3 combat skills ammy, myth, and ik boots gloves and belt. for charms you want to go combat gc torch anni and lifers. you can have this 1 for free too. you're welcome.