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Sep 19 2022 10:53pm
Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ Sep 19 2022 07:52pm)
Someone that doesn’t understand Ed + min/max bug should never be writing a melee guide. Smh



Not to mention one that thinks a phase blade rare is good or a trophy. Especially one with only 1 socket


Let me clear up a few things.

First, I am extremely proud to have co-authored this guide. It was built on top of the bones of my original guide, with years worth of knowledge and discussion added onto a single page. No more searching 100 pages for an obscure melee discussion.

The ed/min/max jewel section is accurate, and I believe that I gave the example that was used in this guide. So if you go through and look at the math, you'll see it's solid. Also not based on any conversations you've had with Koston previously, but with me. Koston did put a massive amount of work into this, and I believe is currently the highest ranked Fury on the D2R melee ladders. They know what they are talking about, and come to me directly with questions otherwise. So I put my stamp of approval on this.

I also want to address the point about phase blades. Yes, BotDz is generally better. There are some rare exceptions, such as with a Fools Phase vs a high defense Zealer. Botdz is expensive enough in D2R that if someone finds a usable ethereal crystal/dimensional and ups it to PB, or finds one cheaper than a Botdz, it's usable. Sure, not the best, but this guide doesn't claim it is, either. Just that it's possible to use one if you want to. It won't be complete crap, and has a similar win rate with BotdZ against that specific opponent. You couldn't use it for Fury v Fury though. Auto lose.

Anyway hope that helps. Make a Druid and join us in druidpk/1 to take out your aggression.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Sep 19 2022 11:06pm
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Sep 19 2022 11:04pm
ton of good work here
thx



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also that banner. omg really nice :evil:

This post was edited by IQLimited on Sep 19 2022 11:21pm
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Sep 20 2022 12:40am
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These changes were presumably made by Blizzard in response to years upon years of wereform players’ frustrations over wolf druids’ broken IAS whereby, prior to this patch, you could only gain IAS from your weapon (i.e., if you had a 40/15 jewel in your pelt, the 15% IAS would not “count” toward attack your speed).


This is false. Ias outside your weapon has allways worked. Only helped to reach new breakpoints with slow weapons, but it worked.
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Sep 20 2022 12:51am
Quote (cantero @ Sep 19 2022 11:40pm)
This is false. Ias outside your weapon has allways worked. Only helped to reach new breakpoints with slow weapons, but it worked.


That's very true. IAS did work in LoD, but not really once you were at 5 frame or greater. The formula used in LoD is also much different from D2R, where they've normalized it to use eias like other classes, making oias effective even on very fast weapons. Slow weapons could be pushed up a little in LoD. It's usually not discussed since the slower weapons aren't particularly viable below 5 frame (EDC was ok at 6 frames sometimes), but you're correct. I'll see if Koston can still edit and make a clarification. Appreciate it.

edit: They are still able to edit, so we appreciate your input and fixed it :thumbsup:

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Sep 20 2022 12:55am
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Quote (cantero @ Sep 19 2022 11:40pm)
This is false. Ias outside your weapon has allways worked. Only helped to reach new breakpoints with slow weapons, but it worked.


Quote (inkanddagger @ Sep 19 2022 11:51pm)
That's very true. IAS did work in LoD, but not really once you were at 5 frame or greater. The formula used in LoD is also much different from D2R, where they've normalized it to use eias like other classes, making oias effective even on very fast weapons. Slow weapons could be pushed up a little. It's usually not discussed since the slower weapons aren't particularly viable below 5 frame (EDC was ok at 6 frames sometimes), but you're correct. I'll see if Koston can still edit and make a clarification. Appreciate it.


Thank you for this catch. I've clarified this in the original post - still had the edit ability! I never really used slower weapons on wolf druids (it wasn't the norm on the realm/time period when I played - everyone was doin the PB or fanged knife thing in GM melee, which is the focus of this guide), so this was not on the forefront of my mind.

This post was edited by Koston on Sep 20 2022 01:03am
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Sep 20 2022 01:37am
that's a nice guide. great work

Quote (inkanddagger @ Sep 20 2022 05:37am)
Once you finish high school and have some basic math down, come back and show us your work.

Appreciate it.


boy read my sig and bow down to the math god
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Sep 20 2022 05:33am
Quote (Dolphy @ Sep 20 2022 03:37pm)
that's a nice guide. great work



boy read my sig and bow down to the math god


If you ever want to have a good laugh and see the enterprising consultant in the flesh, check out his lame ass twitch feed.

Koston and Ink.

Thanks for taking the time to write this. A lot of effort went into this.
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Sep 20 2022 05:46am
Phenomenal, good job!
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Sep 20 2022 08:04am
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If you ever want to have a good laugh and see the enterprising consultant in the flesh, check out his lame ass twitch feed.

Koston and Ink.

Thanks for taking the time to write this. A lot of effort went into this.



Yes Bui is cringe AF
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Sep 20 2022 10:58am
wow very well done yall.
so comprehensive bigup on this one 👌🏼
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