we agree that range is the reason ba grief is better pvp. so grief ba wins for pvp. beast /grief ba is as fast or almost as fast as grief pbs because fan counts for ww now. so speed isn't a reason to pick grief pbs over grief/beast. i would argue that the damage from and extra grief isn't going to be noticeably better than the extra damage from fan and the 20% cb from beast. so damage for 2 handed skill is a tie. for 1 handed skills like berserk grief/beast is going to be way better because of fan. unless the flat damage from the offhand grief applies to the striking hand grief i stand by my original statement. the only reason to use grief pbs is so you don't have to repair.

beast bva was used because of old ww mechanics and free ww hit frame.. since prior to this patch the free hit frames would only use your mainhand weapon, beast was used to buff the mainhand damage to compensate.
2 griefs are better pve.
and no a ba is [0] wsm and a pb is [-30] .. its a massive difference. the numbers just dont lie mate i get it you have a sweet spot for axes and barbs look dumb with crystal swords but it is what it is now...

e/ havent looked at what the consensus is for pvp but two grief ba's might pull ahead of the beast.. only reason you might beast now is to buff your zerk fpa ^^
ee/ this is just wrong cause grief pb is certainly better then ba on a zerk barb too..

tldr theres now better excuse for the pbs then simply repair costs.

This post was edited by Hepzibah on Aug 10 2022 12:28am

lvl 10 fan is 30 ias. that applies to ww sense the last patch. so there is no difference to speed. pb -30 = ba -0 + fan-30. but that doesn't even matter unless you are slowed somehow. 34 ias ba and pb both hit max ww speed most of the time. i use a grief cb and a stormshield on my barb so no i don't have a soft spot for axes. personally, i like my set up better than 2 weapons because i like tanks, it's way cheaper, and it will kill a barb without a shield every time. i can beat smiters with it too and i couldn't do that with a pb. so no pb isn't even a viable option for ww barb in pvp let alone a good one. my dislike for the pb comes from pvp not my fasion sense. so give your phase blade to your paladin and use a barb weapon.

This post was edited by L8knightResurrected on Aug 10 2022 02:25am

-30 wsm = 30eias
Lvl9 fana = 29eias

Its due to repair pbs are used in pvm.

Nobody was arguing that pb was bad in pvp kid.. you need to learn to read. The argument is that there’s more reason to use a pb in pvm then you give it credit for..

Cb on barb isn’t new either.. the only thing new here is you xd

Dual grief out dps beast grief.. so no you’re wrong

The reason you use ba is it’s range.. the pb for its wsm.. you can wear dual grief setups and pump more ww dmg in pve.. allows for more gear adjusting

This post was edited by Hepzibah on Aug 10 2022 09:51am

using a sword and shield on a ww barb is from before patch 1.09. it was probably top tier in 1.07 because of the Grandfather. so yeah i know it's old. and yes! I am arguing that grief PB is garbage for a ww barb in pvp. you are better off using botd than a grief pb in pvp.

1.07 was classic

1.08 was the expansion patch

pre 1.09 you definitely didnt have a gf - very few were ever found between 08-09, iirc the shortest patch in d2, and the ones that were found removed from game.. 08 gfs dont exist in any retail version of the game anymore.. the weapon of choice would of been doombringer/honor/lightsaber

pre .08 you'd exec and shield.. no lod

This post was edited by Hepzibah on Aug 10 2022 11:52am

no i didn't play battle net before 1.09. i had several 08 gfs in 09 though. they did less damage but had a huge life bonus. the rust storm turned them into 09 gfs. like the 08 ss. but not the 08 vamp gaze for some reason. the weapon of choice in1.09 was an ith everybody used bugged duped and hacked items back then. thank you rust storm.

This post was edited by L8knightResurrected on Aug 10 2022 12:30pm