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Aug 3 2022 07:57am
Quote (babun1024 @ Aug 3 2022 03:43am)
How does an upped bartuc's fair as offhand actually? I tried the one I used for leveling offhand with a simple shael rune in a ghost setup. Needless to say I was able to hit paladins and barbs (chaos runic talon maindhand). And what about 2 x chaos in feral claws when paired with gore rider?



Not well

Using a second chaos is better than bartuc. Or plague. Or fury.

Ghost should basically full time gores. Only time to take them off is when you are fighting trap sins or hybrid sins.

With a ghosts life pool and 63% block and being in WW animation a lot, it’s very rare that you actually get fhr’d. Making shadow dancers not really give much for ghost. Additionally, ghost get little value from the +2 shadow skills on shadows dancers as maxijg the skills already makes you hit the various needed skill breakpoints. Such as 42 fade + enigma = 50 dr. Or +2 shadow skills on boots isn’t going to be enough to get you 64 Weapon block.


Hybrids use shadow dancers for the +2 skills as they typically only 1 point most of the shadow skills, so the +2 skills naturally adds a lot. Not to mention hybrids hve typically been at an AR defecit. But now in d2r with 20 extra skill points, that’s less of an issue as you will put most of those on claw mastery now.

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Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ Aug 3 2022 03:57pm)
Not well

Using a second chaos is better than bartuc. Or plague. Or fury.

Ghost should basically full time gores. Only time to take them off is when you are fighting trap sins or hybrid sins.

With a ghosts life pool and 63% block and being in WW animation a lot, it’s very rare that you actually get fhr’d. Making shadow dancers not really give much for ghost. Additionally, ghost get little value from the +2 shadow skills on shadows dancers as maxijg the skills already makes you hit the various needed skill breakpoints. Such as 42 fade + enigma = 50 dr. Or +2 shadow skills on boots isn’t going to be enough to get you 64 Weapon block.


Hybrids use shadow dancers for the +2 skills as they typically only 1 point most of the shadow skills, so the +2 skills naturally adds a lot. Not to mention hybrids hve typically been at an AR defecit. But now in d2r with 20 extra skill points, that’s less of an issue as you will put most of those on claw mastery now.

I get the gores part but with bartuc's it's a bit diffferent. In 2.4.3, eth upped bartucs can hit 4fpa WW with just 35 ias, for example 15ias form circlet and 20ias from highlords. All the mods on bartuc's are really useful and with high enough level +23% CS / 50% DS combined with high physical damage, attack rating+ed from 20str/20dex, +2 to all (also automatically to weapon block, claw mastery, mind blast etc.) are very useful. Of course, a rare eth cruel/fool's with 2 sockets is going to be better but perfect eth zoded tucs looks to me like a more physical fury with just 15% open wound. For pure elemental casters, I plan to use chaos suwayyah + umed jade talon for 40% open wound chance on both claws due wrist sword not being able to hit 4fpa with reasonable setup anyways.

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Beating chaos is pretty hard on a ghost, as that magic damage ends up being a lot of damage in pvp, and goes through bone armor, which is one of sins most difficult matchups. Not to mention it naturally has Um rune in it.


The formulae for bartuc hasn’t changed, as it reached max ias in legacy.

And chaos beat it there.

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Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ Aug 3 2022 04:09pm)
^babun1024

Beating chaos is pretty hard on a ghost, as that magic damage ends up being a lot of damage in pvp, and goes through bone armor, which is one of sins most difficult matchups. Not to mention it naturally has Um rune in it.

I like the ed, too. 2x chaos feral claws look sexy as well.
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Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ Aug 2 2022 09:43pm)
Feral + feral is best for ghost now

Runic on main hand + feral over offhand is best for hybrid now


For ghost, you would want the following skills:
3 MB - on both claws
3 wb - on both claws
Blade shield - 1 of them
Lightning sentry - 1 of them (lvl doesn’t matter. Just to save 4 points)
Dragon flight - 1 of them

For hybrid:
3 LS - both claws
3 WB - one claw (can be both)
Blade shield - one claw
Dragon flight - one claw
Mind blast - both or one


For hybrid, ideally you will have fury in runic, chaos in feral


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The formulae for bartuc hasn’t changed, as it reached max ias in legacy.

And chaos beat it there.

Eth bartucs couldn't reach last ias BP in legacy. You had to put a 15ias/40ed jewel in a normal upped bartucs for that which wasn't much. Perfect eth upped bartucs has got 190.5 average damage.
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I like the ed, too. 2x chaos feral claws look sexy as well.



Ya unfortunately bartuc just doesn’t have enough to beat common options. It’s not to far behind chaos or plague or fury, but those options are cheap enough where bartuc just turns into a useless option.
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Quote (babun1024 @ Aug 3 2022 09:12am)
Eth bartucs couldn't reach last ias BP in legacy. You had to put a 15ias/40ed jewel in a normal upped bartucs for that which wasn't much. Perfect eth upped bartucs has got 190.5 average damage.



Bartucs hit the ias bp without any ias at all in legacy

Claws are on -13 ias

Not -34 like barb


All runic and ferals never needed any ias in legacy for WW. They needed ias to be used in the main hand so that you reached max trap ias.

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Thank you all very much for your contributions. I really want to build a WW assassin and all your contributions are very useful to me. Greetings and thanks again
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Bartucs hit the ias bp without any ias at all in legacy

Claws are on -13 ias

Not -34 like barb


All runic and ferals never needed any ias in legacy for WW. They needed ias to be used in the main hand so that you reached max trap ias.

I see, I stand corrected then.
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