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Jul 22 2022 10:51am
Quote (Dolphy @ Jul 22 2022 09:41am)
use cmoon and swap coh for viper. the 5-5 you can put in viper > +1 sk from coh. not to mention the added utility provided by viper's fcr



yeah viper or ormus hmm
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Jul 22 2022 10:53am
Quote (Conbab @ Jul 22 2022 06:51pm)
yeah viper or ormus hmm


ormus is pretty garb. the 15% light damage is comparable to +1 to light mastery
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ormus is pretty garb. the 15% light damage is comparable to +1 to light mastery



+3 nova could be nice, but yes agreed
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Jul 22 2022 10:57am
Quote (Conbab @ Jul 22 2022 06:54pm)
+3 nova could be nice, but yes agreed


+2 nova vs +1 to es, warmth, 35 psn res, 13 mdr, 10 fcr

the fcr alone means you'll be able to have another soj, so that's another +1 all skills
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Jul 22 2022 11:36am
Quote (Dolphy @ Jul 22 2022 12:57pm)
+2 nova vs +1 to es, warmth, 35 psn res, 13 mdr, 10 fcr

the fcr alone means you'll be able to have another soj, so that's another +1 all skills


Not taking anything else in comparison, just pointing out that he's already using 2x sojs.
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Jul 22 2022 01:07pm
Quote (Cersei @ Jul 22 2022 11:36am)
Not taking anything else in comparison, just pointing out that he's already using 2x sojs.



this, could use frosties over mages though now again
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Jul 22 2022 01:40pm
Quote (Rws @ Jul 20 2022 12:40am)
Piggy backing on this topic;

For CM, is it possible to run high player count games on hardcore using only CM and infinity or does the griffons enable that capability better than CM?

Been running blizzard ES setup and slaying out, but I am considering swapping to lightning.. Haven't found griffons yet though.


Just saw your question. Technically, it is possible to do it with CM only, but I wouldn't risk it on HC for the following reasons:

Imagine you have a hoto and a shako.
You can either get crescent moon or griffons are the moment. Assuming you are talking about a nova light sorc in this case, here's how it goes down:

1) Infinity-wearing ES nova (105fcr)
2) Cmoon+Spirit ES nova (105fcr)
3) Cmoon-Stormshield ES MB nova (105fcr)
(I did not list the 200fcr nor the vitas, because mana burn being fixed ES is very safe now with the correct bps, specially with a stormshield setup)

You choose option 3 (which would be my choice, lowest risk while getting accustomed, then potentially moving on to #2).
If you wear a CMoon, shako, stormshield, 2x sojs, frosties, w/e... where is all your fcr coming from? The griffs may be hard af to find, but its a build-maker.

Griffs (25)
2/10, 2/20 or 3/10 ammy (10-20)
Vmagi (30, plus the 13MDR is so often overlooked... insane for an ES build on HC)
Arachs (20)

Then it's a matter of trangs/mages/frosties/sojs/fcr rings (need 10-20fcr depending on your amulet).
Make sure to reach your 86fhr bp and you're golden (fhr light gcs, fhr scs, boots, shael in vmagi, shael in griffs as necessary....)



tl;dr answer: If you want to keep 1/8ing or just solo high player count games, blizz>light unless fully, fully decked out (all gcs, griffs, good all res rolls on rare rings and crafted ammy, good crafted boots, ....

ALL OF THIS SAID THOUGH --- ES SORC ON HC = PRAYER MERC OR CLEANSE THROUGH A5 MERC. PLR ROLLS ON RINGS, AMMY & BOOTS >

This post was edited by Cersei on Jul 22 2022 01:44pm
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Quote (Cersei @ Jul 22 2022 07:36pm)
Not taking anything else in comparison, just pointing out that he's already using 2x sojs.


yeah cuz he's currently not using cmoon so he has fcr to spare. he definitely should be using cmoon
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Jul 23 2022 11:24am
Quote (Dolphy @ Jul 23 2022 03:42am)
yeah cuz he's currently not using cmoon so he has fcr to spare. he definitely should be using cmoon



yep ty
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Jul 23 2022 01:34pm
I'm running a "melee" maxblock Sorc atm very close to what you've got, I think?

This maxroll link is a bit of a base template with ONLY accessible uniques - only has 20FCR, so get ready to tweak it for your own needs.
The template is obviously far from "good", but it's a proof of concept.
The inventory is whatever; you can use plain res/life etc, or life skillers, etc.

You can easily swap a TON of stuff around to customize the build.

https://d2.maxroll.gg/d2planner/830106si

If you swap Twitchthroe for Vipermagi, you lose a fuckload of mana due to needing Dex, but you gain solid FHR.
You can remove Frostburns & use 20IAS gloves with str/dex/mana and resists to cover your needs.
You can use a Raven Frost & ditch the Cham in the Twitchthroe for a gg Resist jewel. Raven also has decent AR.
You can even use Trang Oul's Belt with FCR rings instead of SOJs if you have gfg resist/mana/stat rings, which can free up itemization in the charms.

It's a really fun & dynamic char to build imo.

You can even go full hipster trash and try to turn this into an "Immortal" build (10fcr safety rings, gg safety boots, gbane, gg safety amulet, String of Ears, the absorb on Crescent Moon)
The only advantage of the hipster trash Immortal build is the fact that you can stop itemizing for Resistances altogether.
However, good luck getting good DR/MDR/Block without Gerke's Sanctuary (trust me, 1x Dream Helm + Gerke's is NOT worth it).

If you want to use Nova as a side option, you ditch Enchant altogether.
That has the benefit of letting you swap into a caster role whenever you want.

One more thing: if you use a Call to Arms swap and you're a Melee sorc, use Battle Cry very liberally.
Even the lowest level Battle Cry cuts off the defense of ANY ENEMY by 50%. That's batshit insane.

There's a ton you can also mess with on the weapon side, and all of them can melee swing when needed:
- Passion weapon (or insane Rare Sword with Fool's mod and Zeal Charges)
- Crescent Moon PB for the -35% Lightning Res
- Kingslayer PB for the OW/CB vs. bosses, and you can use Vengeance
- Plague PB for the Cleansing AND the +2 skills (which is a ton of damage on its own, about equal to Crescent Moon's -resist for melee hits iirc)
- Spirit PB for the +2 Skills, the huge mana boost / FHR, and the very welcome FCR spike
- Beast for the old school Bearsorc meme (not great with ES, since Bear scales Life, but you can hybridize and make it work)
- Phoenix weapon for Redemption

Yeah.

I love this trash build.

This post was edited by Exokek on Jul 23 2022 01:35pm
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