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May 12 2022 11:15pm
Quote (di3tc0ke @ 13 May 2022 03:23)
I have to use Guided Arrow vs bosses, because I can't use Strafe as stated above.

So I've checked IAS table:

Standard:0,8,22(10 frames with Atma's),42,75(8 frames with my set up),142
(Strafe:0,2,13,15,37)

10 frames = 2.5 attacks per second
8 frames = 3.12 attacks per second

3.12/2.5 = 1.248

This means 8 frames do 24.8% more dmg than 10frames, right?

And only 5% proc on Atma's, so its chance is 5 out of 100 hits (not attacks), or 1 out of 20. It'll take seconds to proc Amplify even with 8 frames.

Besides, I have to run and shoot occasionally vs Diablo, so I'd feel it wouldn't proc forever.

I wonder if Atma's is good vs normal mobs?


Yes, i am quite certain that calculation is correct.

When did you mention you can't use strafe?

If you have 100% chance to pierce, and ignore target's defense, that means almost every arrow will hit and pierce (95%), this means amp dmg will proc a lot of times. The nature of strafe means every monster is hit very often and that synergizes well.

I also use guided vs bosses. The 5% amp doesn't proc very often then, but when it does, it does help to deal big damage against them. Every time you deal critical damage, that damage is doubled as well. You will notice it on their health bar.
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May 13 2022 12:50am
Quote (Taurean @ May 13 2022 02:15pm)
Yes, i am quite certain that calculation is correct.

When did you mention you can't use strafe?

If you have 100% chance to pierce, and ignore target's defense, that means almost every arrow will hit and pierce (95%), this means amp dmg will proc a lot of times. The nature of strafe means every monster is hit very often and that synergizes well.

I also use guided vs bosses. The 5% amp doesn't proc very often then, but when it does, it does help to deal big damage against them. Every time you deal critical damage, that damage is doubled as well. You will notice it on their health bar.


I meant vs bosses. Yes, I use GA vs bosses too, with Wrath.

Wrath
30% Chance To Cast Level 1 Decrepify On Striking
5% Chance To Cast Level 10 Life Tap On Striking

+375% Damage To Demons
+100 To Attack Rating Against Demons
+250-300% Damage To Undead
Adds 85-120 Magic Damage
Adds 41-240 Lightning Damage
+20% Chance of Crushing Blow
Prevent Monster Heal
+10 To Energy
Cannot Be Frozen


ITD doesn't work vs Bosses, so Atma's is good vs normal mobs I guess.

Btw, mine is an elemental dmg Bowazon, which uses Harmony as a main weapon :)

And she uses MA along with Strafe, so she needs faster attack rate. And she always keeps 75 IAS or more.

But she wouldn't need that much IAS if she respec'd and used FA instead of MA.

FA and its synergy = 40 points are quite a lot. Hmmmm, mayb only one point to Valky?
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May 13 2022 01:00am
thx for the discussion guys! already at post #12 and no off-topic or flaming, just take a moment to appreciate that :D

Quote (Taurean @ May 12 2022 05:43pm)

I would max strafe and use that for physical damage vs cold immunes. Switch highlord's for atma's scarab.

Strafe might be a good idea. Dia and Baal take a long time to kill, maybe i also store a Guillaumes in the inventory for higher CB. I am not a fan of Atmas bc of the low proc chance. Also 20ias from HL lets me hit 8 fpa on standard attacks (i.e. FA and MA)... if i remove that, i end up with 55ias which overshoots the next breakpoint (42) by quite a bit, but i can not swap the 15ias jewel from the helmet vs a RBF bc than i am 2 ias short :/ so i think in terms of attack speed, this might be the optimal setup. also lr and DS on HL amu are worth quite something.

Quote (cantero @ May 12 2022 05:17pm)

That's why i like faith over ice bow. About the skillers i went with 50% dmg and 50% skillers.

i thought about that as well (i think i read one of your posts a while ago when you stated that), but i also have a pure phys bowzon and i wanted to make this one to be cleary distincted and focussed on cold dmg. 50/50 sounds like a reasonable decision

Quote (di3tc0ke @ May 13 2022 01:31am)

Maxed Cold Arrows as well? The reason I ask this is I don't think it's worth the points, as it only adds length a lil bit. And I found cold dmg charm adds 1 sec length per charm (before 1/4 penalty in Hell), so I'd get some cold dmg SC's instead.
FA seems fun! Do you kill D easily?

0 points into CA. i dont want to freeze monsters, i want to kill them. with maxed FA the freeze time is long enough (especially with my high attack speed!), so increasing the duration is not worth it at all.
in terms of fun this build just instantly went up my list :) explosions and frost novas everywhere, aesthetics 10/10 for sure. also great with 3 types of dmg, you can just choose an area to clear and go for it by yourself. Dia and Baal are a little bit of a problem atm, i may decide to carry a Guillaumes and switch to strafe

Quote (cantero @ May 13 2022 06:51am)

Wrath is my bow to kill bosses, decrepify makes crushing blow more effective and they are slowed a lot, making them very safe.

interesting. could try that as well, but then i lose my cta swap. dont think that is worth it

Quote (Taurean @ May 13 2022 07:15am)

If you have 100% chance to pierce, and ignore target's defense, that means almost every arrow will hit and pierce (95%), this means amp dmg will proc a lot of times. The nature of strafe means every monster is hit very often and that synergizes well.

ITD only removes the attack rating vs defense part of the formula, the chance to hit still relies on the level of attacker and defender. so you need to be approximately the same level for 95% ;)
with ITD, attacker level alvl has to be at least equal to alvl=19/21*dlvl for 95% chance to hit
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May 13 2022 01:02am
Quote (di3tc0ke @ May 13 2022 08:50am)

Wrath
30% Chance To Cast Level 1 Decrepify On Striking
5% Chance To Cast Level 10 Life Tap On Striking

+375% Damage To Demons
+100 To Attack Rating Against Demons
+250-300% Damage To Undead
Adds 85-120 Magic Damage
Adds 41-240 Lightning Damage
+20% Chance of Crushing Blow
Prevent Monster Heal
+10 To Energy
Cannot Be Frozen


FA and its synergy = 40 points are quite a lot. Hmmmm, mayb only one point to Valky?

problem with Wrath is that curses will cancel each other. on the other hand 30% decrep proc is cool, high ed vs undeads and demons is good enough for PvM and CBF frees up another ring slot (although i dont know what to put there)
Valk is overrated if you have a decent merc in my opinion

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May 13 2022 01:10am
Quote (PiXi31415 @ May 13 2022 04:00pm)

in terms of fun this build just instantly went up my list :) explosions and frost novas everywhere, aesthetics 10/10 for sure. also great with 3 types of dmg, you can just choose an area to clear and go for it by yourself. Dia and Baal are a little bit of a problem atm, i may decide to carry a Guillaumes and switch to strafe.


You make me want to try FA. Yeah, you're a bad guy :)

As to Strafe vs Dia, I'll be dead in secs while firing Strafe, because D's number one preference is always me :cry:
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May 13 2022 01:14am
Quote (PiXi31415 @ May 13 2022 04:02pm)
problem with Wrath is that curses will cancel each other. on the other hand 30% decrep proc is cool, high ed vs undeads and demons is good enough for PvM and CBF frees up another ring slot (although i dont know what to put there)
Valk is overrated if you have a decent merc in my opinion


Well, both curses help Merc alive, who uses Gaze, Treachery and Infinity.

As to Valky, I use her because I use Harmony as my main bow:

Level 10 Vigor Aura When Equipped
+200-275% Enhanced Damage
+9 To Minimum Damage
+9 To Maximum Damage
Adds 55-160 Lightning Damage
Adds 55-160 Fire Damage
Adds 55-160 Cold Damage
+2-6 To Valkyrie :)
+10 To Dexterity
Regenerate Mana 20%
+2 To Mana After Each Kill
+2 To Light Radius
Level 20 Revive (25 Charges)


She tanks very well :)
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May 13 2022 01:15am
Quote (di3tc0ke @ May 13 2022 09:10am)
You make me want to try FA. Yeah, you're a bad guy :)

As to Strafe vs Dia, I'll be dead in secs while firing Strafe, because D's number one preference is always me :cry:


shoot him from a distance. with enough dmg you get him into hit recovery animation, cold dmg further slows him. also take care of your resists. my inventory is pretty crowded with resist charms, but i think that is worth it
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May 13 2022 01:20am
Quote (PiXi31415 @ 13 May 2022 09:00)
interesting. could try that as well, but then i lose my cta swap. dont think that is worth it


Depends of what areas do you farm. If you are going to kill baal solo i think wrath it's a must. Diablo is a lot weaker so maybe other options are good too.

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May 13 2022 01:21am
Quote (PiXi31415 @ May 13 2022 04:15pm)
shoot him from a distance. with enough dmg you get him into hit recovery animation, cold dmg further slows him. also take care of your resists. my inventory is pretty crowded with resist charms, but i think that is worth it


Dia has hit recovery motion? I didn't noticed that. Are you sure you observe the animation?

I put light/fire dmg SC's instead of res ones :lol:
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May 13 2022 01:23am
Quote (cantero @ May 13 2022 04:20pm)
Depends of what areas do you farm. If you are going to kill baal solo i think wrath it's a must. Diablo is a lot weaker so maybe other options are good too.


Bowazon shouldn't tank in the first place imo. So I don't use CTA either.

So Dia doesn't target you?
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