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Dec 2 2021 01:48pm
Quote (solairesunbro @ Dec 2 2021 08:11pm)
thank you for the input!

So no manual wsm thats a bummer. I have a few options i'd like your thought on:

Get a chaos suwayyah, change the runic to a fury
Get a fools runic, keep chaos runic
get a fury runic, keep chaos runic

I suppose circlet ias jewel, and highlords ias don't matter as much in this?


Okay. Unless u auto wsm bug both claws should be runic.
That will give a -30 wsm setup. Fury should then be main due to slightly highest hit chance.
42 ias will then be breakpoint with fade. A fools claw need to be decent to beat fury.

Auto wsm bug:
U cannot auto wsm bug a runic unless it has socets for a specific jool. Due to its 115str/dex requirements.

Or well, there is 1 way:
1st solution (-45wsm) :
Chaos runic (115str/115dex +10str) + Fury/fool's none eth Sciccors suawaya (118/118)

Now, assa starts with 20str, eni on forexample lvl 95 gives [95*0,75] = 71 str.
Lets assume u have 20 stats in both annie and torch.
20 + 40 + 71 = 131 and wsm bug failed.
By using dual 10stats torch annie:
20+20+71 = 111 str.
So u can by this method allow u on lvl 95 to have max 26stats total from torch annie.
20+26+71 = 117.
Then chaos gives 10 str and is the final piece to ensure sciccors suawaya gets placed last. For wsm bug to now work u need to have chaos runic placed over boots.
Its ofc crucial that u dont have any other str source..

2nd solution (-45wsm) :
Use a forexample 2 soc fools runic(preferable eth)
By putting 1 x -15req/9dex/9str/30ed jool in it we makes its requirements into this:
None eth: 115 * 0,85 = 94str/dex req (i assume it rounds up)
Eth (115-10) * 0,85 = 90str/dex req (i assume it rounds up)

The easiest would now be to auto wsm by dex.
U can now choose either chaos suawaya or sciccors suawaya.
So anyway the 9dex from runic claw will now force runic fool's or cruel claw to be placed before suawaya/sciccors suawaya chaos as Long as u dont overstat dex.

With -45 wsm u need:
Fade:
19 ias for 9 frames (Ideally in fools claw)

Bos lvl 15:
0 ias for 8 fpa
6 ias for 7 foa
48ias for 6 fpa

Raising bos level will make ias requirements lower.

Its worth to check dragon claw and dragon talon ias breakpoints as well.
I have them all ready in excel, but you need to choose claws and bos level prior to me helping you further.

This post was edited by gel87 on Dec 2 2021 01:52pm
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Dec 2 2021 02:04pm
im using a ghost setup, so pure fade.

i have a scissors suwayyah 3 sock +3 light sentry ready to go if I don't need a fury runic talon.

i heard that in d2r there is no manual wsm, so gotta work with awsm

by your description of the two solutions...

i have to put my gear on in a very specific way it seems.

I have shadow dancers which require 167 str. i have no dex requirement other than using the claws.

my char is lvl 90. I think by your description, as long as i am forced to put fury on second to chaos it will work???

fools is a bit distant.

i think with anni and torch and shadow dancer i wont worry as much about dex.
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Quote (solairesunbro @ Dec 2 2021 09:04pm)
im using a ghost setup, so pure fade.

i have a scissors suwayyah 3 sock +3 light sentry ready to go if I don't need a fury runic talon.

i heard that in d2r there is no manual wsm, so gotta work with awsm

by your description of the two solutions...

i have to put my gear on in a very specific way it seems.

I have shadow dancers which require 167 str. i have no dex requirement other than using the claws.

my char is lvl 90. I think by your description, as long as i am forced to put fury on second to chaos it will work???

fools is a bit distant.

i think with anni and torch and shadow dancer i wont worry as much about dex.


Then there is a 3rd option (due to ur shadow dancers).
Which is version 1, but use a enigma Great hauberg(118str req). This require u to skill quite an ammount of str.
U can then use perfect torch and annie.
20base, 20 torch, 20 annie, 20 ring = 80 then rest via second ring or fcr ammu(if 102fcr setup) or via diadem/Guilaume if 65fcr setup or by statting until 115str. Then runic chaos allows u to carry both enigma, shadows and fury sciccors suawaya. Ur level dont matter much then since enigma and sciccors will always be placed after runic.
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Quote (gel87 @ Dec 2 2021 03:27pm)
Then there is a 3rd option (due to ur shadow dancers).
Which is version 1, but use a enigma Great hauberg(118str req). This require u to skill quite an ammount of str.
U can then use perfect torch and annie.
20base, 20 torch, 20 annie, 20 ring = 80 then rest via second ring or fcr ammu(if 102fcr setup) or via diadem/Guilaume if 65fcr setup or by statting until 115str. Then runic chaos allows u to carry both enigma, shadows and fury sciccors suawaya. Ur level dont matter much then since enigma and sciccors will always be placed after runic.


would this work if i only have an archon plate enigma? need 103 str to equip
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Quote (solairesunbro @ Dec 2 2021 10:18pm)
would this work if i only have an archon plate enigma? need 103 str to equip


No, cause then enigma gives the str to wear sciccors and then Sciccors will be placed first since located above gloves.

And i wrote Guilaume in post above. Guilaume cannot be used in combi with this bug as Guilaume need 115str and add 15str.

This post was edited by gel87 on Dec 2 2021 03:23pm
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i guess then the second best option (since enigma is expensive) is to put enough str and dex to wear chaos (with help of other things and charms), and then put enigma on last?

oh and for this bug to work, im assuming scissors on glove side, chaos on boot side?

This post was edited by solairesunbro on Dec 2 2021 03:29pm
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No, cause then enigma gives the str to wear sciccors and then Sciccors will be placed first since located above gloves.

And i wrote Guilaume in post above. Guilaume cannot be used in combi with this bug as Guilaume need 115str and add 15str.


would this method of manually putting enigma in last work? yes will cost more stats but thats what i can do for now
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Quote (solairesunbro @ Dec 2 2021 10:39pm)
would this method of manually putting enigma in last work? yes will cost more stats but thats what i can do for now


Yes it would.
The key feature is that you need the runic talon to be equipped to be able to equip ur other claw.
If ur other claw cannot be equipped unless u have ur runic on, and ur runic claw is placed over boots, then u should have wsm bug.
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Quote (gel87 @ Dec 2 2021 04:41pm)
Yes it would.
The key feature is that you need the runic talon to be equipped to be able to equip ur other claw.
If ur other claw cannot be equipped unless u have ur runic on, and ur runic claw is placed over boots, then u should have wsm bug.


thank you! ill try this out now
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Dec 2 2021 04:15pm
Quote (gel87 @ Dec 2 2021 04:41pm)
Yes it would.
The key feature is that you need the runic talon to be equipped to be able to equip ur other claw.
If ur other claw cannot be equipped unless u have ur runic on, and ur runic claw is placed over boots, then u should have wsm bug.


thanks a lot, noticeably better trap laying speed and on the character screen it says 55% rather than 30% before. i am also able to keep at 65% fcr breakpoint with raven and a 10% fcr ring, so it all works out :D if i remove chaos neither shadow dancer nor fury scissor can be worn. so my chaos is on my boot side
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