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Nov 12 2021 10:14pm
I definitely appreciate this work, but I'll be honest here, I don't get these calculations.

Like for example on the Matriarchal lists, I'm not seeing where the normal 45% ias 7fpa breakpoint is for 13, 14, or 15 Fanat.
Same with the Diamond/Shadow calculations, I don't see a 65% ias breakpoint listed, which is 7fpa with 13, 14, or 15 Fanat.

Since I am functionally a derp with these calculations, could someone just clear up two questions for me?
- What is the actual IAS breakpoint for Diamond/Shadow Faith to hit 6fpa? And will it matter if it is 13, 14, or 15, to be able to hit that breakpoint?
- What is the actual IAS breakpoint for Matriarchal Faith to hit 6fpa? And will it matter if it is 13, 14, or 15, to be able to hit that breakpoint?
--- By this I mean as in, just a solid number, in the same way one could say "You functionally need 95% ias with a GMB Faith to hit 7fpa"

Thanks in advance boys. I really do appreciate this thread.

OK, I seen it posted in a different thread.
So we are looking at 155% for 6fpa Diamond/Shadow, 215% which unachievable with GMB so GMB stays at 7fpa 95%, but what is Matriarchal breaking at for 6fpa?

Also if anyone cares to dig into it, what are the exact new breakpoints for Amazon Throw and Jab, for Matriarchal, Hyperion, and Winged Harpoons? "all the fastest type"

This post was edited by TSBoyer on Nov 12 2021 10:43pm
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Nov 12 2021 10:23pm
is there a tldr version of mat vs gmb faith? from the looks of it, 7fpa gmb faith is still better than a 6fpa mat faith right? if thats the case then the meta hasnt changed despite the new ias bp?

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Nov 12 2021 10:37pm
Quote (xujie @ Nov 12 2021 11:23pm)
is there a tldr version of mat vs gmb faith? from the looks of it, 7fpa gmb faith is still better than a 6fpa mat faith right? if thats the case then the meta hasnt changed despite the new ias bp?


Well surprisingly, the extra speed from 6fpa Mat or Diamond/Shadow will add DPS value "damage per second" that will ultimately pretty much be equal to GMB Faith at 7fpa.
In PvM I don't think the choice will matter too much between GMB or Mat or Diamond/Shadow.
However in pvp, 6fpa will be a real nasty stun lock with knockback.
6fpa will most certainly be a mandatory thing in pvp.

The real question is: Which 6fpa to go for? Matriarchal Bow 6fpa or Diamond/Shadow 6fpa?
The Mat will achieve 6pa at a lower amount of IAS and allow you to probably keep 2 or maybe even 3 sockets open in your Jeweler's armor to put in interesting options like rare jewels or maybe even Ber runes.
Diamond/Shadow will require a full 60/160, but it will also make your Javside throwing and Jab hit their next new breakpoints as well.
I had indirectly tested by accident already with a budget Jeweler's armor.
With around 150% on my character, the Jab and the Throw was definitely going beyond the old BPs, but I am unsure as to exactly what those breakpoints numbers were.
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Quote (TSBoyer @ Nov 13 2021 12:37pm)
Well surprisingly, the extra speed from 6fpa Mat or Diamond/Shadow will add DPS value "damage per second" that will ultimately pretty much be equal to GMB Faith at 7fpa.
In PvM I don't think the choice will matter too much between GMB or Mat or Diamond/Shadow.
However in pvp, 6fpa will be a real nasty stun lock with knockback.
6fpa will most certainly be a mandatory thing in pvp.

The real question is: Which 6fpa to go for? Matriarchal Bow 6fpa or Diamond/Shadow 6fpa?
The Mat will achieve 6pa at a lower amount of IAS and allow you to probably keep 2 or maybe even 3 sockets open in your Jeweler's armor to put in interesting options like rare jewels or maybe even Ber runes.
Diamond/Shadow will require a full 60/160, but it will also make your Javside throwing and Jab hit their next new breakpoints as well.
I had indirectly tested by accident already with a budget Jeweler's armor.
With around 150% on my character, the Jab and the Throw was definitely going beyond the old BPs, but I am unsure as to exactly what those breakpoints numbers were.


wow thnx for this extra info, been thinking of making a char making use of this new ias bp thing.
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Nov 12 2021 11:34pm
Quote (TSBoyer @ Nov 13 2021 05:14am)
I definitely appreciate this work, but I'll be honest here, I don't get these calculations.

Like for example on the Matriarchal lists, I'm not seeing where the normal 45% ias 7fpa breakpoint is for 13, 14, or 15 Fanat.
Same with the Diamond/Shadow calculations, I don't see a 65% ias breakpoint listed, which is 7fpa with 13, 14, or 15 Fanat.


Allright, I have added summarized tables at the beginning of the post to make it more clear.

Quote (gel87 @ Nov 13 2021 12:29am)
Good stuff, but the d2jsp link from me is outdated^^
I have a new one here, the rounding of formulas made some ias break a few ias off.

Here is the new link:
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=89662420&f=148


It's edited, thanks.

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Nov 12 2021 11:35pm
Awesome work mate. Pvm bowas with elemental arrows are going to be fun.
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Quote (cantero @ Nov 13 2021 06:35am)
Awesome work mate. Pvm bowas with elemental arrows are going to be fun.


I always liked magezon.
If colition tiles is different like with fire walls, maby Immolation arrows become better as well :)
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Quote (gel87 @ 13 Nov 2021 10:04)
I always liked magezon.
If colition tiles is different like with fire walls, maby Immolation arrows become better as well :)


Damn i want to play many new things but prices are still crazy. Hope yogi and kolb0t come to save us soon.
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Quote (cantero @ Nov 13 2021 10:50am)
Damn i want to play many new things but prices are still crazy. Hope yogi and kolb0t come to save us soon.


I did not allow myself to afford eni yet. I barely play. So the 2 hrs i found i sold now that prices are high.
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