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Nov 7 2021 04:28am
I am so interested… is it better than a standard Dreamer?
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Nov 7 2021 10:06am
Ty for the build! Testing it atm and it feels realy good :)
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Nov 7 2021 10:16am
Quote (Gwala @ Nov 6 2021 02:46pm)
https://i.imgur.com/eehJlle.jpg

here is a comparison of a dreamer with a full inventory of god charms (10/76/45 and 3/20/20s) many many times more expensive than the Triune charms, AND Decrepify up.

Against a real monster like Diablo, it becomes 56k dps Dreamer (again, giving credit for Decrep), 42,5k Triune, so it changes a lot depending on monster physical and element resistances. Sometimes the extra -resistance from a native Conviction or the -50% phys from Decrep will help a ton, sometimes it won't. However keep in mind it's an optimized scenario, many monsters you actually fight won't have Decrep on.

1) most obviously, you have a massive screen-wide Holy Freeze slowing everything, protecting you and your merc

2) your screen-wide aura tick damage is about twice as high as the Dreamer

3) you have 3 elemental types, making your damage less resistible. That said, you do increase your odds that a portion of your damage is resisted.

4) you are not wasting AR value on the charms (because conviction makes AR pointless)

5) you trade 7,5k cold and 2.6k lightning damage for 6k physical damage, and Infinity Conviction is making most enemies near your merc more susceptible to that damage.

6) pure phys dreamer has less chance to take advantage of double dipping elemental% damage mechanic

7) infinity is a more reliable damage booster than Reaper's Toll

8) your charms are cheaper - probably 2-5% the cost because offensive lifers can be obtained for next to nothing.


Why do you do calculations with decrep up when you take conviction into account for other points? That will never happen. You either use one or the other. This is just a worse dream paladin
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Nov 7 2021 12:59pm
Quote (Hyperdimension @ Nov 7 2021 08:16am)
Why do you do calculations with decrep up when you take conviction into account for other points? That will never happen. You either use one or the other. This is just a worse dream paladin


the decrep is for the DREAMER only, to make it fair, since I am using the infinity from the Triune merc so the Dreamer has option of using Reaper's Toll.

Learn to read.

Quote (RiceyMF @ Nov 7 2021 02:28am)
I am so interested… is it better than a standard Dreamer?


Trade offs both ways. The utility is definitely higher in terms of holy freeze, aoe damage, and not worrying about immune mobs.

IMO pure phys zeal, native tesladin, native freezer, and triune are all better than a standard dreamer, mainly because lvl 30 holy shock is just kind of weak to base half ur damage around and limits you while costing 2 slots.

Quote (narzz @ Nov 7 2021 08:06am)
Ty for the build! Testing it atm and it feels realy good :)


glad u like it :D well a build with 2 jahs, 2 bers and a Lo should feel pretty good lol I would hope.

This post was edited by Gwala on Nov 7 2021 01:22pm
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Nov 7 2021 01:39pm
Seems fairly generic
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Nov 7 2021 01:45pm
Quote (SagittariusA @ Nov 7 2021 11:39am)
Seems fairly generic


sowwy my build on a 21 year old game on a character with 3 viable attacks is too genewic fow u
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Nov 7 2021 01:46pm
Quote (Gwala @ Nov 7 2021 01:45pm)
sowwy my build on a 21 year old game on a character with 3 viable attacks is too genewic fow u


I would have been impressed with a dragon build, dream is like ok, that's never been done before lol
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Nov 7 2021 01:49pm
Quote (SagittariusA @ Nov 7 2021 11:46am)
I would have been impressed with a dragon build, dream is like ok, that's never been done before lol


holy fire is just too weak to be hell viable even with BIS in every slot to optimize it, blame blizz not me they gave it shit numbers. I don't think I've seen anyone focus holy freeze on a dreamer before as a primary damage source so I considered it original enuff.
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Quote (Gwala @ Nov 7 2021 01:49pm)
holy fire is just too weak to be hell viable even with BIS in every slot to optimize it, blame blizz not me they gave it shit numbers. I don't think I've seen anyone focus holy freeze on a dreamer before as a primary damage source so I considered it original enuff.


I mean it's cute but it still would feel like playing a standard dreamer, the experience would be generic is what I mean
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Nov 7 2021 01:54pm
Quote (SagittariusA @ Nov 7 2021 11:51am)
I mean it's cute but it still would feel like playing a standard dreamer, the experience would be generic is what I mean


it's a paladin, aka the class that already has half their skills dedicated to a passive aura with no interaction, im not sure what you want from the class lol. your screen-wide damage will be a lot stronger plus holy freeze slow on everything. there's only so much you can spice up a zeal build.
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