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Sep 26 2017 04:02pm
Best advice you'll get: NEVER LISTEN TO TAUREAN.
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Sep 26 2017 04:03pm
Quote (Oilerfan @ 26 Sep 2017 23:34)
You get flamed and trolled because you spread misinformation and are generally pretty rude yourself.


My information is very good and i am only rude to those that are rude to me first, and usually over longer periods of time for absolutely no good reaason.

Nobody has ever managed to counter my information on an objective level with gear options that are much better than mine. I have always written, i will listen to common sense. If everyone just kept it at that level, this whole site would be a better place.

I'm never the one that spreads shit first.
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Sep 26 2017 04:04pm
Quote (BrimstoneJack @ 27 Sep 2017 00:02)
Best advice you'll get: NEVER LISTEN TO TAUREAN.


Lol ^^ This is exactly what i'm talking about. Just bullshit, crap and shit all over. Never anything objective or intelligent.

This post was edited by Taurean on Sep 26 2017 04:06pm
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Sep 26 2017 04:40pm
Quote (Taurean @ Sep 26 2017 04:45pm)
Max strafe. Strafe i use instead of multishot

Max critical strike.

Remainder of points in guided arrow, which is mainly used for bosses.

Knockback isn't really that useful.

Helmet: Kira's guardian. You should get as high all res as possible, and socket it with an um rune for more all res

good luck hunting down 3 x 15 max damage / 40% max damage jewels

Charms: I use mainly resist charms, max damage charms (AR not needed if you have ITD on bow), life, and faster run/walk. Faster hit recovery to hit some breakpoints.

Merc: The grand setup is: Fortitude, pride and andariel's visage.

you may want to place more points in defensie skills (d/a/e)

Good luck. Bowzon is the best build of all ^^


Here's a short list of reasons people don't take you seriously on this forum.
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Sep 26 2017 04:45pm
And here's the reasons, since you're going to give me your stock reply:

Strafe requires you to stop moving to cast. Self-stunning on a low health mobility character using a relatively short-ranged skill, instead of the skill with a 3 screen range that fans out to hit most of the map.

You don't usually need to max crit.

Your build doesn't even come close to hitting any ias breakpoints with guided arrow

knockback isn't useful? really?

I think we've gone over kiras enough. Also using an um rune is laughable.

ed/max bug

how do you still need res charms while using kiras

your merc seems useless

dodging in pvm is hardly a good thing. you want to do it less, not more

bowazon is one of the weakest pvm builds in p8, especially if you're self-found or trading for gear with drops you found yourself

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Sep 26 2017 04:54pm
Quote (Taurean @ Sep 27 2017 12:03am)
My information is very good and i am only rude to those that are rude to me first, and usually over longer periods of time for absolutely no good reaason.

Nobody has ever managed to counter my information on an objective level with gear options that are much better than mine. I have always written, i will listen to common sense. If everyone just kept it at that level, this whole site would be a better place.

I'm never the one that spreads shit first.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

This is why you are a troll, we try to explain to you this more than 5 times, with numbers, with facts, with examples, with huge explanations with strafe builds and better bowazon builds, you ignore them all, all the time, over and over again, at this point I'm not wasting any more time in this, I only need to advice the OP that you are a troll, cuz is obvious now, and that he can't ignore your post.

And since everyone here agree, the OP is going to know the true for sure, when everyone is against you, and your build, is not cuz all the people is wrong and you are right, 99,999% of the time, is on the other way.
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Sep 26 2017 05:01pm
Quote (Taurean @ Sep 26 2017 03:45pm)
Max strafe. Strafe i use instead of multishot, because with strafe, every arrow carries special effect modifiers such as chance to cast amplify damage from atma's scarab. Every arrow also pierces with enough points in pierce and if using razortail, so it is the most effective skill. Auto aim is also time saving and easier to use.

Max valkyrie, or you don't really have to in SC. Personal preferance. Use skill points for increasing damage skills.
3-5 points in dodge, avoid, and evade.
3-5 points in pierce.
Max critical strike.

Remainder of points in guided arrow, which is mainly used for bosses.


Gear:

Fortitude, because of the 300% enhanced damage, and chilling armor increases defense. Treachery for poor player's option.

Razortail is the best belt, unless you are looking to survive burning souls, in which case you should use thundergod's vigor and dual wisp projector.

Gloves: Laying of hands set gloves gives 350% enhanced damage to demons, which is a significant boost, and i cannot see how crafted kb gloves can do them justice. Knockback isn't really that useful.

Raven is a good ring, but it isn't really necessary. If you choose to use another helmet than Kira's, then you should use a Raven for the Cannot Be Frozen modifier. As for rings in general, you should have a wisp projector and use Spirit of wolverine, which increases damage a little bit. Oak sage can be used, but dies far too often. Wolverine spirit seems to fly away from enemies and can take a few hits.

For second ring, you can use whatever you wish. Dwarf star for increased survivability, 12-15 mdr is not a bad thing. Ranged enemies are your biggest fear, especially packs with fana or might aura, multiple shot and extra strong. 1 volley can kill you.

Amulet: Atma's scarab is the best amulet. Amplify damage will be cast very often, and doubles output damage. Cat's eye is a very good amulet, and use it if you wish, but you will miss the doubled damage from atma's scarab.

Helmet: Kira's guardian. You should get as high all res as possible, and socket it with an um rune for more all res. This helmet also gives Cannot be frozen, so you really do not need a raven frost. This is a life saver and highly underestimated. If you want super damage, use a 3 socketed/30 frw bullshit circlet, and good luck hunting down 3 x 15 max damage / 40% max damage jewels, and enjoy having crippling low resistances in Chaos Sancturay.

Boots: War travelers. You can try gore riders for yourself and see which deals more damage, in my experience, war travelers are the best boots.

Weapon: Faith grand matron bow is the best bow. For second place, i choose Eaglehorn, since it has Ignore target's defense. Combined with Atma's scarab and strafe, you will deal big damage. Windforce at third place. It has low attack rating, and slow attack speed, but high damage. I've taken off 1/3 of diablo's health bar with 1 arrow while cursed, in hell mode. Fourth option can be Cliffkiller. Harmony is a great runeword, which will make you run very fast. Almost any unique bow will do the job, but Faith Gmb is the porsche of bows.

Charms: I use mainly resist charms, max damage charms (AR not needed if you have ITD on bow), life, and faster run/walk. Faster hit recovery to hit some breakpoints. Magic find is welcome. 1 gheeds i always carry. I don't necessarily use torch, since i get tired from watching the firewave attack. Annihilus is great, but expensive.


Merc:

The grand setup is: Fortitude, pride and andariel's visage. "Poor" player's option may be shako, reaper's toll and treachery. Other options are vampire gaze, crown of thieves, duriel's shell, shaftstop, insight. With treachery, Fade will be cast almost always, which increases survivability quite a lot. Combined with damage reduction from vampire gaze, he will become tanky.

For softcore, you can be a little more aggressive and place more points in damage skills. For hardcore, you may want to place more points in defensie skills (d/a/e). You also have to play more defensively. Casting Decoy is a standard, i use it all the time, always in every doorway and around any corner. 1 fast boss pack can tear you down in 1 second, with lag spike too, you have no chance to react. Let Decoy be your scapegoat. If there's a pack, throw valkyrie there and start using strafe.

It is possible to not use valkyrie at all, in softcore, saving you lots of points. You must kite a little bit, but it's all up to your play style.

Good luck. Bowzon is the best build of all ^^



Never knew a 5% chance to cast amp is what is generally accepted as "very often."

Teach me more of your ways senpai
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I've never ever had a problem with the attack lock with Strafe. I actually find it making the flow of gameplay easier. Run forward, aggro mobs, backtrack two steps if mobs aren't few kn numbers or easily dealt with, use Strafe. Maybe the first time using it i felt it awkward, now i find it an asset.

You may not NEED to max Critical Strike, but he asked for options for SC, for which i added the option to add a few extra % of damage at the cost of a tank. If you play strategically, you can manage well enough with Decoy, or none of them.

I find Knockback as not worthwhile. I really don't see the big point. The goal is to kill the monsters, and i find it easier to control the flow of gameplay without KB. Let's put it down to personal preference.

Never saw one good argument for having crippling low resists in Hell mode. So be free to come up with arguments.

Ed/max bug.. Huh? Never heard of it.

I usually need a few. Have you ever played Bowzon before? I can make a list of total stats on my normal setup tomorrow.

The merc is not useless. Try it.

D/A/E is a safety measure. But feel free to discard it and max Critical Strike for more damage, perhaps.

Bowzon may not be the strongest, but it is very fun and it is down to personal preference. I can do Chaos runs fast and efficiently without shitloads og botfound stuff. If i can do it, so can a newbie.
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Sep 26 2017 05:07pm
120/45 30frw diadem
atma
faith shadow/diamond lvl14+ fana
forty
LoH
raven
rare ring (ml/ll)
razortail
WT
harmony switch

max/ar/(life or frw) charms

a2 might merc
pride eth cv/ca
andy ias/fire res
forty

str for gear, rest dex

20magic arrow, 20strafe, Xmultishot, 18crit, 3pierce, rest wherever you want


like lilith said above, this is the best setup.

You can also go:
faith of ice + atmas + nos coil
if you get ur pierce close to max, ~90%
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Sep 26 2017 05:24pm
Quote (Taurean @ Sep 26 2017 09:45pm)
Max strafe. Strafe i use instead of multishot, because with strafe, every arrow carries special effect modifiers such as chance to cast amplify damage from atma's scarab. Every arrow also pierces with enough points in pierce and if using razortail, so it is the most effective skill. Auto aim is also time saving and easier to use.

Max valkyrie, or you don't really have to in SC. Personal preferance. Use skill points for increasing damage skills.
3-5 points in dodge, avoid, and evade.
3-5 points in pierce.
Max critical strike.

Remainder of points in guided arrow, which is mainly used for bosses.


Gear:

Fortitude, because of the 300% enhanced damage, and chilling armor increases defense. Treachery for poor player's option.

Razortail is the best belt, unless you are looking to survive burning souls, in which case you should use thundergod's vigor and dual wisp projector.

Gloves: Laying of hands set gloves gives 350% enhanced damage to demons, which is a significant boost, and i cannot see how crafted kb gloves can do them justice. Knockback isn't really that useful.

Raven is a good ring, but it isn't really necessary. If you choose to use another helmet than Kira's, then you should use a Raven for the Cannot Be Frozen modifier. As for rings in general, you should have a wisp projector and use Spirit of wolverine, which increases damage a little bit. Oak sage can be used, but dies far too often. Wolverine spirit seems to fly away from enemies and can take a few hits.

For second ring, you can use whatever you wish. Dwarf star for increased survivability, 12-15 mdr is not a bad thing. Ranged enemies are your biggest fear, especially packs with fana or might aura, multiple shot and extra strong. 1 volley can kill you.

Amulet: Atma's scarab is the best amulet. Amplify damage will be cast very often, and doubles output damage. Cat's eye is a very good amulet, and use it if you wish, but you will miss the doubled damage from atma's scarab.

Helmet: Kira's guardian. You should get as high all res as possible, and socket it with an um rune for more all res. This helmet also gives Cannot be frozen, so you really do not need a raven frost. This is a life saver and highly underestimated. If you want super damage, use a 3 socketed/30 frw bullshit circlet, and good luck hunting down 3 x 15 max damage / 40% max damage jewels, and enjoy having crippling low resistances in Chaos Sancturay.

Boots: War travelers. You can try gore riders for yourself and see which deals more damage, in my experience, war travelers are the best boots.

Weapon: Faith grand matron bow is the best bow. For second place, i choose Eaglehorn, since it has Ignore target's defense. Combined with Atma's scarab and strafe, you will deal big damage. Windforce at third place. It has low attack rating, and slow attack speed, but high damage. I've taken off 1/3 of diablo's health bar with 1 arrow while cursed, in hell mode. Fourth option can be Cliffkiller. Harmony is a great runeword, which will make you run very fast. Almost any unique bow will do the job, but Faith Gmb is the porsche of bows.

Charms: I use mainly resist charms, max damage charms (AR not needed if you have ITD on bow), life, and faster run/walk. Faster hit recovery to hit some breakpoints. Magic find is welcome. 1 gheeds i always carry. I don't necessarily use torch, since i get tired from watching the firewave attack. Annihilus is great, but expensive.


Merc:

The grand setup is: Fortitude, pride and andariel's visage. "Poor" player's option may be shako, reaper's toll and treachery. Other options are vampire gaze, crown of thieves, duriel's shell, shaftstop, insight. With treachery, Fade will be cast almost always, which increases survivability quite a lot. Combined with damage reduction from vampire gaze, he will become tanky.

For softcore, you can be a little more aggressive and place more points in damage skills. For hardcore, you may want to place more points in defensie skills (d/a/e). You also have to play more defensively. Casting Decoy is a standard, i use it all the time, always in every doorway and around any corner. 1 fast boss pack can tear you down in 1 second, with lag spike too, you have no chance to react. Let Decoy be your scapegoat. If there's a pack, throw valkyrie there and start using strafe.

It is possible to not use valkyrie at all, in softcore, saving you lots of points. You must kite a little bit, but it's all up to your play style.

Good luck. Bowzon is the best build of all ^^


I stopped reading there. Holy shit lol.
Multishot will proc amp faster. There is a reason why people don't like you. It is because you give wrong infos.
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