Quote (Mstrforce @ Jan 19 2015 11:40am)

This is a very well written and comprehensive guide. With that being said, it's hyper specialized to the point of being only effective in SvS, and would still be out classed by other SvS builds.

Quote (Stories @ Jan 19 2015 01:14pm)

I have been asked repeatedly to post a guide for my build...
and when i do, this is the response, most ppl dont even take the time to read the guide before voting no, just silly really...



pmd this user, but to clear things up for others...

Yes, it is a guide for Gm Svs, Thats the whole point of my build, and its stated within the 1st paragraph at the top of this guide
with that being said, it still holds strong in 1v1 games aswell (Or pubs)

and not to say its "out classed" by other builds, more or less, cold sorcs are always at a disadvantage for svs
this build closes that gap, and makes for a even playing field so to speak

obv some builds will giv more trouble then others (Thats just how d2 works, example would b Sin > Sorc, as is Es > Cold, if built/played proper)

now please refrain from making silly comments, and spam, ty, if you have any questions, plz pm me before voting no, as im sure i can convince u other wise
e/ as for this build being to expensive, my fire sorc cost more...

Quote (legen @ Jan 19 2015 12:41pm)

the 450 cr cap is exactly how and why this sorc works though :/
I think explaining how the numbers workout wit this kind of pierce in a guide like this is more important than how to "self blizz"
I worked it all out out of my own curiosity, and at the point of using those 3/20 circs, all facets etc, every single -5% dmg makes a huge impact. You should also show that with a fathom youwill not get enough -res to break 450 point effectively.

The es sorces in there svs community are never high es due to having harsher restrictions via mana potting and absorb, (even thou a 95 es fber could work wonders vs a blizzer, there arent even any blizzers on the ladder and its much weaker vs light/fire than a mid level es build)

However, factoring the other side, ie my es fber which abuses rules of having 78 es, allowed to mana pot, 450 cr, 10 bmanas etc, the sorc literally ens up invincible vs a blizzer, no matter how well geared :/
I even showed him in game how much it can tank to prove my point on the matter a little whle ago. (was like 7 straight ibs's to break mana, which woulnt even happen with ability to run regen/mana pot, or 21 blizzs/ibs to life to kill vs the 6-7 fbs tokill him back lol)


Factor in that a build like this is unbelievable expensive, is hard to make up simple res's lost by the use of a magic helm, magic armor, magic orb, etc, and i personally quit trying to optimize it at that point. However, if you did have the resources and reallllllly wanted a perfect east svs rules based sorc this IS the best way to do it.

Quote (legen @ Jan 19 2015 10:11am)

the 450 cr cap is exactly how and why this sorc works though :/
I think explaining how the numbers workout wit this kind of pierce in a guide like this is more important than how to "self blizz"
I worked it all out out of my own curiosity, and at the point of using those 3/20 circs, all facets etc, every single -5% dmg makes a huge impact. You should also show that with a fathom youwill not get enough -res to break 450 point effectively.

The es sorces in there svs community are never high es due to having harsher restrictions via mana potting and absorb, (even thou a 95 es fber could work wonders vs a blizzer, there arent even any blizzers on the ladder and its much weaker vs light/fire than a mid level es build)

However, factoring the other side, ie my es fber which abuses rules of having 78 es, allowed to mana pot, 450 cr, 10 bmanas etc, the sorc literally ens up invincible vs a blizzer, no matter how well geared :/
I even showed him in game how much it can tank to prove my point on the matter a little whle ago. (was like 7 straight ibs's to break mana, which woulnt even happen with ability to run regen/mana pot, or 21 blizzs/ibs to life to kill vs the 6-7 fbs tokill him back lol)


Factor in that a build like this is unbelievable expensive, is hard to make up simple res's lost by the use of a magic helm, magic armor, magic orb, etc, and i personally quit trying to optimize it at that point. However, if you did have the resources and reallllllly wanted a perfect east svs rules based sorc this IS the best way to do it.

Quote (Quicklaunch @ Jan 20 2015 04:41am)

Seeing as everyone here is posting that by the rules they know for a fact that a cold sorc is at a disadvantage why the fuck don't you guys change the rules so they can be more viable?

Especially with 2 of you on the SvS ladder I don't see why you wouldn't make it even if you know how OP a mana potting es Fire can be against a cold sorc. What's the point of a svs ladder if you don't give more reasonable odds for all 3 elements?

Quote (legen @ Jan 20 2015 09:29am)

I recently asked about this and was told no rule changes would be made lol.

Until then we wont see blizzers in the competitive scene :/

Quote (Stories @ Jan 20 2015 11:51am)

I have asked repeatedly, so much so they have kicked me from the ladder due to "spam"

Quote (Mstrforce @ Jan 20 2015 11:33am)

I think that's unreasonable. What was done for the 1v1 ladder thread to avoid "spam" was a second thread was created for "ladder chat". You could do the same to discuss the problem at hand and then just post a link in the actual SvS ladder thread to get the participants and mediators to see it. Post it in LD, and make sure you post suggestions on the rule changes that you think would be reasonable to help bring cold sorcs back to being viable

Edit: the unreasonable part was them kicking you.