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Dec 25 2012 01:40pm
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Btw r u eu?



and i play East Non ladder
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Dec 25 2012 04:59pm
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Was excited for you to post your feedback, knew it wouldn't be long =p
Appreciate the input bud, and yeah I am missing a few things, and also in the process of testing out other gear options and swaps.

As for the FRW and south running, I do have some of that explained in a few of the dueling strategies. You are absolutely correct about south running and it is a must in a lot of situations.

My preferred setup doesn't have as much frw as the DWEB setup, but I've found it enough to survive when south walking.

Dweb setup:
Enigma 45
2nec 30frw circ
gspurs 30 treks 20

so looking at about 95-105 frw with that setup, and 65-75 with my preferred setup.
The amount of gear/inventory you would have to change out to obtain 150FRW would cause you to lose out on some pretty important essentials of your build.

Now about your choice of DWEB over hoto setup:
I'm going to have to do some more testing on this, but I can see what you're getting at.
The reason why i don't use DWEB that much, is because with my preferred setup, the bleed out difference is unnoticeable. It still only takes me 1 landed nova to bleed someone out in 3 seconds or so.
Using DWEB is definitely going to spike up your cost on the character, being that you'll have to replace rings with 2x 10fcr rings and your 3pnb/100 ammy to a 2nec/20fcr ammy.
If you can afford it, that may be a decent trade-off. Just have to make sure that the resistance lost by removing hoto, is made up for or topped by your rings/amulet.

I like keeping as much +skill items on as possible, and with my preferred setup i'm at level 50 or 51 in nova and synergies.
So if you don't want to go spending a lot on a circlet with awesome adds such as frw/life/res, you could keep the cheap route by using another 3pnb/20fcr/2os tiara and putting some nice res stacking jewels in it.
Same goes for a better DR setup, BerBer a 3/20/2os so you don't have to go switching out too much gear and sacrificing +skills for it.

Using CoA and dungos takes 40fcr away from you, leaving you to find it elsewhere. and if you're using DWEB, I don't see how that will be achievable.
125fcr is a must at all times. Keep moving or die. Treat it as a glass cannon, hit and avoid as much as possible.

Ahh, yes, my bad. I use high dr, high ftw setup but along with 75fcr. Damn... This char is so hard to build cuz u cant have it all:/

nywy, i reccomend double ber'd circlett as 24dr all around setup vs all.

@dweb: as far as i remmber from tests the difference in final life drained by nova with or without dweb was huge- like 40%. Ofc vs non stacking res char.
But yeah, if u dont have at least 1,5k fg budget u'r probably not gonna hit max resi without all those fancy res charms and crafts/rares with high resi.
Altho dweb is a.must vs those high life chars, which usually dont hit with elemental attacks.so resi arent that important when facing them.
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Dec 25 2012 05:06pm
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Ahh, yes, my bad. I use high dr, high ftw setup but along with 75fcr. Damn... This char is so hard to build cuz u cant have it all:/

nywy, i reccomend double ber'd circlett as 24dr all around setup vs all.

@dweb: as far as i remmber from tests the difference in final life drained by nova with or without dweb was huge- like 40%. Ofc vs non stacking res char.
But yeah, if u dont have at least 1,5k fg budget u'r probably not gonna hit max resi without all those fancy res charms and crafts/rares with high resi.
Altho dweb is a.must vs those high life chars, which usually dont hit with elemental attacks.so resi arent that important when facing them.


Yeah, if you COULD have it all it would be so great. But you win some you lose some.
I'm in the process of buying more 3pnb/20fcr/2os circs for specific situations. Will definitely berber one of them, I agree.
Yeah 1-1.5k budget should get you fairly close to acceptable, but it will be much harder using DWEB.
Thanks for the suggestions and positive feedback :thumbsup:
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Dec 25 2012 10:14pm
Sexy guide eric -.-

Im gonna make one of these here soon.

Did you pm this thread to corey?

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Sexy guide eric -.-

Im gonna make one of these here soon.

Did you pm this thread to corey?


Thanks buddy, and yeah you should. Would love to do some 1v1 novaVSnova.
Not sure who Corey is =/
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Dec 26 2012 04:12pm
I've always wanted to have one of these in the stable again for a while now...makes me miss my hybrid Bone/Nova Nec.

Keep in mind that, as far as most of the match-ups, the opponent can opt to apply a good amount of spacing forcing you to close the gap and possibly make an unwanted move.

Being that you're pure Nova makes your damage potential one-sided, meaning you have no other good sources to rely on besides poison damage.
An opponent with Bramble and lots of gear that gives PLR will be quite problematic for you.

This is all not to say that this class isn't good, duelers shun Nova Necros from Team PK for a reason and I recall facing one really godly Nova Necro over the years.
The match-up vs. this class as a whole will teach duelers the meaning of 'proper' spacing.

Good guide nonetheless Eric...I'll send mine your way when it's close to done. ;)
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Dec 26 2012 04:19pm
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I've always wanted to have one of these in the stable again for a while now...makes me miss my hybrid Bone/Nova Nec.

Keep in mind that, as far as most of the match-ups, the opponent can opt to apply a good amount of spacing forcing you to close the gap and possibly make an unwanted move.

Being that you're pure Nova makes your damage potential one-sided, meaning you have no other good sources to rely on besides poison damage.
An opponent with Bramble and lots of gear that gives PLR will be quite problematic for you.

This is all not to say that this class isn't good, duelers shun Nova Necros from Team PK for a reason and I recall facing one really godly Nova Necro over the years.
The match-up vs. this class as a whole will teach duelers the meaning of 'proper' spacing.

Good guide nonetheless Eric...I'll send mine your way when it's close to done. ;)


Thanks for the input bud.
I agree, those that use proper spacing will have the upper hand in most cases.
The method I use to help lessen that, is spearing and spiriting.
With my preferred setup listed, the ammount of + pnb skill items I use, puts my bone spirit up to around 1-1.2k damage or so?
Beginning the duel, I don't make it obvious what they will be dealing with.
I'll play aggressively acting as a normal bone necro throwing out spears and spirits to throw them off a bit.
Once they realize how horrible the damage dealt to them is, they get a little more aggressive and offensive.
Out comes the nova, 3 second bleed out, finished.

In most cases that method works for me, but yeah if you build one up surely pm me. We can wrestle <3
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Dec 26 2012 05:29pm
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Thanks buddy, and yeah you should. Would love to do some 1v1 novaVSnova.
Not sure who Corey is =/


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nice guide i'm still playing with mine.. mine is max block and have only found it very helpfull against zons and chargers. otherwise i kinda wish i went vita. lmk if you wanna duel sometime :)
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Dec 26 2012 06:10pm
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nice guide i'm still playing with mine..  mine is max block and have only found it very helpfull against zons and chargers.  otherwise i kinda wish i went vita.    lmk if you wanna duel sometime  :)


Yeah it can come in handy for those builds, but personally I prefer vita >

I'll pm you sometime soon
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Dec 26 2012 07:41pm
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nice guide i'm still playing with mine..  mine is max block and have only found it very helpfull against zons and chargers.  otherwise i kinda wish i went vita.    lmk if you wanna duel sometime  :)


^ That was corey :P

<3

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