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Apr 1 2012 05:11am
Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Apr 1 2012 06:02am)
I'd like to fraps a ft5 against you in a ZvZ

Toss me a PM if you're East NL at all


grow up. if you expect to achieve anything this way, you have to be #1. if marvel or jeppe came here and said "shadow bow is the best", i would shut up and listen.

i dont want to be mean and you might be good on ama, but until you are the best, your word will not be taken for granted unless you give some actual arguments instead of challenging random people to ft5s. not that today it would matter even if you were the best, there are like 10 people on ama ladder :lol:

silly guys... :blush:
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Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Apr 1 2012 03:32am)
This if Europe, it's based off bugged belt (which only exists on Europe)




Use this if East/West --> Habakkuk's Bow & Fury ZvA Guide V1.13d


No, it works on other realms aswell. He's got a secondary belt.
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Apr 1 2012 05:44am
Quote (Bojana @ Apr 1 2012 12:11pm)
grow up. if you expect to achieve anything this way, you have to be #1. if marvel or jeppe came here and said "shadow bow is the best", i would shut up and listen.

i dont want to be mean and you might be good on ama, but until you are the best, your word will not be taken for granted unless you give some actual arguments instead of challenging random people to ft5s. not that today it would matter even if you were the best, there are like 10 people on ama ladder :lol:

silly guys... :blush:


i've used both jeppe (without bug belt) and habakkuk's build

if you don't have a bug belt, then go for habakkuk's build, else go for jeppe. it's simple. do not use jeppe's build with another belt.

The +mod circlet and vita/dr from verdungo really gives a lot of survavibility and versability, which will win you more duels overall.

try to duel barbs and smiters, you'll see the difference. higher bow damage will not save you against those matchups where you have to stay java slot 75% of the time

Again if you have a BB, go for jeppe, you'll keep the high damage while maintaining survavibility from BB

This post was edited by STEFOOO on Apr 1 2012 05:48am
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Apr 1 2012 10:34am
Quote (Bojana @ Apr 1 2012 07:11am)
grow up. if you expect to achieve anything this way, you have to be #1. if marvel or jeppe came here and said "shadow bow is the best", i would shut up and listen.

i dont want to be mean and you might be good on ama, but until you are the best, your word will not be taken for granted unless you give some actual arguments instead of challenging random people to ft5s. not that today it would matter even if you were the best, there are like 10 people on ama ladder :lol:

silly guys... :blush:



What are you not understanding about this?

15% Superior Diamond Bow has: 37 to 46 damage (avg 41.5) requires 65% ias to 7fpa
15% Superior Grand Matron has: 15 to 82 damage (avg 48.5) requires 92% ias to 7fpa

Using GMB requires:
* 45/120 (loss of +STR, +DEX, +All Res, +2 skills) all a lose of equivalent total life value and durability
* Nosferatu's Coil (Loss of 15% DR, 13 life rep, 40 vitality)
* Loss of ability to swap belts and maintain 7fpa, (T-God's & String) for vs lightning & druids

The life value gained from the use of Diamond/Rare Diadem/Verdungo's is an extremely significant factor, especially after Battle Orders
So is +20 all res, 13 life rep, 15% DR and the ability to swap belts

Not to mention that slow target % debilitates you more when using a GMB because it's WSM is higher

This increase of 7 avg damage on a GMB is extremely insignificant compared to what is gained with the Diamond setups
You're talking about the difference between having 4 SCs with +3max or not having those 4 SCs with +3max
You're statements & arguements are completely unfounded and based entirely upon the need to *troll me*


Come up with a real argument, your trolls are boring
Tossing the power-word Marvel doesn't mean shit when we're looking at mathematics bud
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Apr 1 2012 12:05pm
Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Apr 1 2012 05:34pm)
What are you not understanding about this?

15% Superior Diamond Bow has: 37 to 46 damage (avg 41.5) requires 65% ias to 7fpa
15% Superior Grand Matron has: 15 to 82 damage (avg 48.5) requires 92% ias to 7fpa

Using GMB requires:
* 45/120 (loss of +STR, +DEX, +All Res, +2 skills) all a lose of equivalent total life value and durability
* Nosferatu's Coil (Loss of 15% DR, 13 life rep, 40 vitality)
* Loss of ability to swap belts and maintain 7fpa, (T-God's & String) for vs lightning & druids

The life value gained from the use of Diamond/Rare Diadem/Verdungo's is an extremely significant factor, especially after Battle Orders
So is +20 all res, 13 life rep, 15% DR and the ability to swap belts

Not to mention that slow target % debilitates you more when using a GMB because it's WSM is higher

This increase of 7 avg damage on a GMB is extremely insignificant compared to what is gained with the Diamond setups
You're talking about the difference between having 4 SCs with +3max or not having those 4 SCs with +3max
You're statements & arguements are completely unfounded and based entirely upon the need to *troll me*


Come up with a real argument, your trolls are boring
Tossing the power-word Marvel doesn't mean shit when we're looking at mathematics bud


your math is a bit off. Basically that difference of 7 gets multiplied by the bow's ed % ( in this case we have a 4.45x multiplier ). So the difference of 7, becomes a difference of over 30.

And now +max damage charms get added so its not the same as a difference of 4 charms
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Apr 1 2012 12:48pm
Quote (Habakkuk22 @ Apr 1 2012 06:34pm)
What are you not understanding about this?

15% Superior Diamond Bow has: 37 to 46 damage (avg 41.5) requires 65% ias to 7fpa
15% Superior Grand Matron has: 15 to 82 damage (avg 48.5) requires 92% ias to 7fpa

Using GMB requires:
* 45/120 (loss of +STR, +DEX, +All Res, +2 skills) all a lose of equivalent total life value and durability
* Nosferatu's Coil (Loss of 15% DR, 13 life rep, 40 vitality)
* Loss of ability to swap belts and maintain 7fpa, (T-God's & String) for vs lightning & druids

The life value gained from the use of Diamond/Rare Diadem/Verdungo's is an extremely significant factor, especially after Battle Orders
So is +20 all res, 13 life rep, 15% DR and the ability to swap belts

Not to mention that slow target % debilitates you more when using a GMB because it's WSM is higher

This increase of 7 avg damage on a GMB is extremely insignificant compared to what is gained with the Diamond setups
You're talking about the difference between having 4 SCs with +3max or not having those 4 SCs with +3max
You're statements & arguements are completely unfounded and based entirely upon the need to *troll me*


Come up with a real argument, your trolls are boring
Tossing the power-word Marvel doesn't mean shit when we're looking at mathematics bud


oh trust me, you dont want to argue on math with me ;) in case you didnt read, i said you need to actually be someone important for people to trust you on your word.

and i realize what you are trying to say, although i disagree that its worth it even with all that to switch my cute gmb with...those :wacko: im kinda bored to do math now, but you are losing roughly ~500 average damage with not using a gmb, and in my opinion, that damage alone puts gmb as the #1 bow.
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Apr 1 2012 01:05pm
Quote (Bojana @ Apr 1 2012 07:48pm)
oh trust me, you dont want to argue on math with me ;) in case you didnt read, i said you need to actually be someone important for people to trust you on your word.

and i realize what you are trying to say, although i disagree that its worth it even with all that to switch my cute gmb with...those :wacko: im kinda bored to do math now, but you are losing roughly ~500 average damage with not using a gmb, and in my opinion, that damage alone puts gmb as the #1 bow.


those ~500 average damage more are BOW SLOT only, whereas the bonuses from verdungo + circlet will be both JAV SLOT and BOW SLOT

500 average damage BOW SLOT won't save your ass when you will be duelling JAV SLOT, those 30@res + 15% DR + 40 vita +2 ama + life rep + str and dex + whatever on your circlet has WILL

This post was edited by STEFOOO on Apr 1 2012 01:07pm
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Apr 1 2012 02:14pm
Quote (STEFOOO @ Apr 1 2012 09:05pm)
those ~500 average damage more are BOW SLOT only, whereas the bonuses from verdungo + circlet will be both JAV SLOT and BOW SLOT

500 average damage BOW SLOT won't save your ass when you will be duelling JAV SLOT, those 30@res + 15% DR + 40 vita +2 ama + life rep + str and dex + whatever on your circlet has WILL


you will have slower attack on java slot as well. but anyway, this is about better bow OVERALL, not vs certain builds!
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Apr 1 2012 04:25pm
Quote (Bojana @ Apr 1 2012 04:14pm)
you will have slower attack on java slot as well. but anyway, this is about better bow OVERALL, not vs certain builds!


Quote (Bojana @ Apr 1 2012 02:48pm)
oh trust me, you dont want to argue on math with me ;) in case you didnt read, i said you need to actually be someone important for people to trust you on your word.

and i realize what you are trying to say, although i disagree that its worth it even with all that to switch my cute gmb with...those :wacko: im kinda bored to do math now, but you are losing roughly ~500 average damage with not using a gmb, and in my opinion, that damage alone puts gmb as the #1 bow.




I guess no one is taking anything you say seriously then

Nice troll
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