Last Wish Vs. Grief Recalculated - Topic

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Jul 10 2011 11:00am

Quote (ranorn @ Jul 10 2011 09:41am)

Grief will always do more damage than lastwish
It will always clear ubers quicker
It will always do it cheaper

Isnt this a known fact already?

Nothing is faster than a 100 cb 6 fpa setup that switches to grief when the ubers are low- and yeah, thats faster than a 75 cb grief setup

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Jul 10 2011 11:45am

Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 10 2011 12:00pm)

Nothing is faster than a 100 cb 6 fpa setup that switches to grief when the ubers are low- and yeah, thats faster than a 75 cb grief setup

and Astrons beats both.

100% cb, nearly double the damage of lastwish while maintaining the 6fpa.

Silly people arguing these two runewords and miss perhaps the ideal pairing.

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One-Hand Damage: (125-144) To (146-167) (135.5-155.5 Avg)
Required Level: 66
Required Strength: 97
Required Dexterity: 70
Durability: 70
Base Weapon Speed: [-10]
+240-290% Enhanced Damage (varies)
Damage +40-85 (varies)
+50% Damage To Undead
Adds 80-240 Magic Damage
33% Chance of Crushing Blow
Slows Target By 25%
Damage Reduced By 4-7 (varies)
+2-4 To Combat Skills (Paladin Only) (varies)
+10% Increased Attack Speed
150-200% Bonus To Attack Rating (varies)

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Jul 10 2011 11:48am

Quote (Master_Zappy @ Jul 10 2011 05:45pm)

and Astrons beats both.

100% cb, nearly double the damage of lastwish while maintaining the 6fpa.

Silly people arguing these two runewords and miss the ideal pairing.

http://classic.battle.net/images/battle/diablo2exp/images/items/weapons/warscepter.gif

whare is math?
I demand 5 pages of numbers and charts to proof astreons n1

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This post was edited by Ziecheik on Jul 10 2011 11:49am

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Jul 10 2011 11:50am

Quote (Ziecheik @ Jul 10 2011 12:48pm)

whare is math?
I demand 5 pages of numbers and charts to proof astreons n1

Quote (Lightman @ Oct 13 2010 09:42am)

It is the worst way for 'Grief' setup to account for %CB and yet it outweighs Last Wish.
Any other chances of triggering CB would result in an even faster killing rate on Grief's part.

Quote (Master_Zappy @ Oct 11 2010 06:58pm)

<astrons for me

+4 , cb , and damage*85 * is win w/slow.

Good work, I like the quick and easy post on this that decisively shows the difference.

I too believe 33% CB / +85 Damage / +4 Paladin Combat Skills outweighs +400 damage

Not exactly the same setup I'd use but ;

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Astreon's Iron Ward

Helm- Guillaume's Face. (Ort)
Shield- Upgraded Herald of Zakarum. (Um)
Amulet- Highlord's Wrath.
Armor- 'Duress' runeword, mage plate.
Gloves- Dracul's Grasp.
Boots- Goblin Toe.
Ring 1- Raven Frost.
Ring 2- Dwarf Star.
Belt- String of Ears.
Weapon- Astreon's Iron Ward
+Damage: +85

DPS Skills
20 Smite (Slvl 34) [+510% ED]
20 Fanaticism (Slvl 28) [+509% ED]
20 Holy Shield (Slvl 34) [+131-134 Smite damage]

Total Damage
(46+133+85)* (1+5.1+1.15+5.09+0.2) = 264*12.54 = 3,310.56 3,310
Raw-damage vs Mephisto: 3310*0.8 (-20%) = 2648
Raw-damage vs Diablo/Baal: 2577*0.5 (-50%) = 1655

Crushing Blow
100%.

Uber Mephisto/Diablo/Baal
Level: 110
HP: 650,000-660,000 [Average- 655,000]
Mephisto %DR: 20%. Crushing Blow- 12.5% *0.8 (-20%) = 10% [1/10]
Diablo/Baal %DR: 50%. Crushing Blow- 12.5% *0.5 (-50%) = 6.25% [1/16]

Astreon's Ward smite sequence vs Mephisto (Total HP -10% -->

'NewResult' -2648 -->

HP remaining )

CodeSmite #1- 582352
Smite #2- 521468.8
Smite #3- 466673.92
Smite #4- 417358.528
Smite #5- 372974.6752
Smite #6- 333029.2077
Smite #7- 297078.2869
Smite #8- 264722.4582
Smite #9- 235602.2124
Smite #10- 209393.9912
Smite #11- 185806.5921
Smite #12- 164577.9329
Smite #13- 145472.1396
Smite #14- 128276.9256
Smite #15- 112801.233
Smite #16- 98873.1097
Smite #17- 86337.79873
Smite #18- 75056.01886
Smite #19- 64902.41697
Smite #20- 55764.17527
Smite #21- 47539.75774
Smite #22- 40137.78197
Smite #23- 33476.00377
Smite #24- 27480.40339
Smite #25- 22084.36305
Smite #26- 17227.92675
Smite #27- 12857.13408
Smite #28- 8923.420672
Smite #29- 5383.078605
Smite #30- 2196.770745
Smite #31- 0

Astreon's Ward smite sequence vs Diablo/Baal (Total HP -6.25% -->

'NewResult' -1655 -->

HP remaining)

CodeSmite #1- 607720
Smite #2- 568082.5
Smite #3- 530922.3438
Smite #4- 496084.6973
Smite #5- 463424.4037
Smite #6- 432805.3785
Smite #7- 404100.0423
Smite #8- 377188.7897
Smite #9- 351959.4903
Smite #10- 328307.0222
Smite #11- 306132.8333
Smite #12- 285344.5312
Smite #13- 265855.498
Smite #14- 247584.5294
Smite #15- 230455.4963
Smite #16- 214397.0278
Smite #17- 199342.2136
Smite #18- 185228.3253
Smite #19- 171996.555
Smite #20- 159591.7703
Smite #21- 147962.2847
Smite #22- 137059.6419
Smite #23- 126838.4143
Smite #24- 117256.0134
Smite #25- 108272.5126
Smite #26- 99850.48056
Smite #27- 91954.82553
Smite #28- 84552.64893
Smite #29- 77613.10837
Smite #30- 71107.2891
Smite #31- 65008.08353
Smite #32- 59290.07831
Smite #33- 53929.44842
Smite #34- 48903.85789
Smite #35- 44192.36677
Smite #36- 39775.34385
Smite #37- 35634.38486
Smite #38- 31752.23581
Smite #39- 28112.72107
Smite #40- 24700.676
Smite #41- 21501.88375
Smite #42- 18503.01602
Smite #41- 15691.57752
Smite #42- 13055.85393
Smite #43- 10584.86306
Smite #44- 8268.309119
Smite #45- 6096.539799
Smite #46- 4060.506062
Smite #47- 2151.724433
Smite #48- 362.2416559
Smite #49- 0

Sequence [31] + Sequence [49x2] = 129 Smites @ 6 FPA (4.1 Atk/s)= 31.46 Seconds.

Conclusion: Astreon's Iron Ward > Grief.

I also really like that it comes with a built in pi tool for those ghosts and such. A few quick zeals with the magic damage and they go down. You cant say the same with either lw or grief. Venom sorta works, but its not nearly as quick. The slow is not to be underestimated either. It makes a discernible difference in safety vs say Lilith.

This post was edited by Master_Zappy on Jul 10 2011 11:54am

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Jul 10 2011 12:06pm

ooh long numbar charts
ty now I can feel confident about using astreons instead of lw, wasn't shurr before ty ty

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Jul 11 2011 04:23am

Hmm...Astreons is a great weapon too...think i should also make a complete calculation for Common Astreons Setup with all stats...

Common Astreons Setup:

Helm Gulli (Ort)
Rüstung Duress
Waffe Astreons
Schild upped Zaka UM
Gloves Draculs
Belt Earstring
Schuhe GoblinToe
Ring1 Raven
Ring2 Dwarf
Amulett Highlord
Anni 20/20

This setup has following stats:
HS-Lvl: 30
Smite-Lvl: 30
Fanatism- Lvl: 24
Str. req: 142
ED: 85
OffWeap Ed: 20% (Duress)
CB: 108%
OW: 58%
Base Ress on Hell: 67
Ress vs Meph: -58
average Smite Damage: 2955,525
average Smite Damage with Salvation: 1676,76
NO-Bo-on switch for extra Skill
LifeTap-Wand on switch for prebuffing

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Now the Sequence vs. Meppl with Fanatism Aura, CB applies in 20 of 20 Hits, Meppl has 20% DR
0 650000
1 582635,58
2 522007,602
3 467442,4218
4 418333,7596
5 374135,9637
6 334357,9473
7 298557,7326
8 266337,5393
9 237339,3654
10 211241,0088
11 187752,488
12 166612,8192
13 147587,1172
14 130463,9855
15 115053,167
16 101183,4303
17 88700,66724
18 77466,18052
19 67355,14247
20 58255,20822
21 50065,2674
22 42694,32066
23 36060,46859
24 30090,00173
25 24716,58156
26 19880,5034
27 15528,03306
28 11610,80976
29 8085,308782
30 4912,357903
31 2056,702113
32 -513,3880983

Astreons Average Damage vs Meph with Fanatism: 20312
to compare:
LW-Damage-Setup with Forti/Gulli/Upped Zaka and Fanatism: 19696
Grief Setup with Fanatism: 19117
LW-Enigma-Setup with Fanatism: 17105

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Now vs. Baal and Dia with Fanatism - both have 50% DR - CB applied in 20/20 Hits
0 650000
1 607897,2375
2 568425,8977
3 531421,5166
4 496729,9093
5 464206,5274
6 433715,857
7 405130,8534
8 378332,4126
9 353208,8743
10 329655,5571
11 307574,3223
12 286873,1647
13 267465,8294
14 249271,4525
15 232214,2243
16 216223,0727
17 201231,3682
18 187176,6452
19 174000,3424
20 161647,5585
21 150066,8236
22 139209,8846
23 129031,5043
24 119489,2728
25 110543,4307
26 102156,7038
27 94294,14733
28 86923,00062
29 80012,55058
30 73534,00367
31 67460,36594
32 61766,33057
33 56428,17241
34 51423,64913
35 46731,90856
36 42333,40178
37 38209,80167
38 34343,92656
39 30719,66865
40 27321,92686
41 24136,54393
42 21150,24744
43 18350,59447
44 15725,91982
45 13265,28733
46 10958,44437
47 8795,779097
48 6768,280403
49 4867,500378
50 3085,519105
51 1414,911661
52 -151,2828183

Astrons Average Damage vs. Baal or Diablo: 12500
to compare
Grief Setup with Fanatism: 12264
LW-Damage-Setup with Forti/Gulli/Upped Zaka and Fanatism: 12037
LW-Enigma-Setup with Fanatism: 10655

Complete Damage vs all 3 Bosses with activated Fanatism Aura vs. Meph:
1. Astreons needed hits: 32 + 52 + 52 = 136 Hits => overall damage per Hit in UT : 14338,235
2. Grief Setup: 34 + 53 + 53 = 140 Hits => overall damage per Hit in UT: 13928,571
3. LW-Damage-Setup: 33 + 54 + 54 = 141 Hits => overall damage per Hit in UT: 13829, 787
4. LW-Enigma-Setup: 38 + 61 + 61 = 160 Hits => overall damage per Hit in UT: 12187,5

We have a champion: Astreons!!!

ATTENTION if u switch to Salvation Aura while using Astreons or Grief ur average damage will be lowered to:
Astreons: -> 142 Hits = 13732
Grief: -> 146 Hits = 13356

Thanks Master_Zappy...nice add to this calculation...

Problem of Astreons Setup: really sucking Ress vs Meph (-58) - if u switch to Salvation vs Meph then LW Damage Setup with +21 Ress vs Meph > Astreons

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What? I´m playing D2 since 10 years - i only was not registered to JSP...only checked some guides here sometimes - i also dont need the marketplace here (thats why i have 0,00 FG). Remember - First what appeared was D2 - not d2jsp

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Jul 11 2011 11:56am

Quote (Ziecheik @ Jul 10 2011 02:06pm)

ooh long numbar charts
ty now I can feel confident about using astreons instead of lw, wasn't shurr before ty ty

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