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#11
Feb 8 2011 01:31pm
Quote (Master_Zappy @ 7 Feb 2011 18:12)
yes, 7 pcombats are in use for these screenies. Under them lie 20/5's with the 8th pcombat slot taking up with these sc's for res. I always keep the cube in my stash, and under that lie my torch and tomb.

Actually I have. Using the tal set. Firewall, orb and Nova. You can also make a pretty decent tri sorc if your using dream for the melee light damage (20 points LM) saving you ~80 points to split elsewhere. Not an easy feat though. I've always wanted to try doing a tri sorc with Mang song, Ormus (or vmagi) and griff's for the huge skill bosts.














I thought we had this discussion once already but I guess you cant remember something as far back as a week ago but here you go again..., if you dont like pvm, dont play it. If you click on a pvm guide its not going to do it for you.


pvm and pvp play arent mutually exclusive, I play both on several different realms. If you want to keep being lame about pvm, then come play where I play. On hardcore. If you want to duel (ive a 32) then I'd be happy to show you what this pvm'er is capable of. (hardcore ladder east)


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#12
Feb 8 2011 04:26pm
Stop making guides because then I have to keep making new characters. Jerk.
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Feb 8 2011 04:53pm
What total MF are you running on that? Assuming PTopaz in the Shako and a nice Wisp, I'm getting somewhere around 185-190%. Have you ever subbed out SC's without losing kill speed, as it seems with one gear sub this thing would rock keyfinding just as hard (Nature's, unless you gg Nilithak in like 1-2 hammers/smites), and some of my best MF drops were while doing that? And one last one, assuming the core of the build were met, do you think this build would be viable without top end GC's and SC's so long as it hits the important breakpoints?
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Feb 9 2011 10:28am
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What total MF are you running on that?  Assuming PTopaz in the Shako and a nice Wisp, I'm getting somewhere around 185-190%.  Have you ever subbed out SC's without losing kill speed, as it seems with one gear sub this thing would rock keyfinding just as hard (Nature's, unless you gg Nilithak in like 1-2 hammers/smites), and some of my best MF drops were while doing that?  And one last one, assuming the core of the build were met, do you think this build would be viable without top end GC's and SC's so long as it hits the important breakpoints?


I dont know the total mf, mf always comes to my builds incidentally , but shako+wisp+enigma, space for a gheeds and potential use of war trav's put the mf to typical hammerdin levels. The guide answered your Shako question, which is this needs an ias jewel in that hat slot.



"assuming the core of the build were met, do you think this build would be viable without top end GC's and SC's so long as it hits the important breakpoints?"
Yes, I have used this build without skillers and it's not bad, Zeal and smite are just about the same, hammers are around 6K-7K. A little low, but clearly viable ( necro's only dream of 7K magic damage with the best of the best gear).

Ive even used this build as a death axe charger/hammer@75 for pvm and pvp.


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Feb 9 2011 10:49am
i made one of these b4, except i used grief and spirit st,
pretty fun for a paladin and works alrite in duels too :thumbsup:

i used 1 point in fana tho, still works pretty damn well

This post was edited by CrimsonOdin on Feb 9 2011 10:50am
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Feb 9 2011 12:45pm
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i made one of these b4, except i used grief and spirit st,
pretty fun for a paladin and works alrite in duels too :thumbsup:

i used 1 point in fana tho, still works pretty damn well


That build surely gets the job done, but I find grief to be lacking for a hammer-melee'r (without having to swap gear like the 1pt smite uber kit ). One of the main reason's for using a melee option on a hammerdin is to speed up or preform better on bosses. Grief hits hard(not as hard as hammers), but doesnt have the needed cb. Without that cb, you might as well skip grief and just keep using hammers. Grief is pretty awesome for pvp and on magic immunes like wailing beasts, but astrons is just as good here, and way better on bosses. (plus you get more of a boost to your hammers with the +4! )

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Feb 9 2011 01:00pm
Has the 75% FCR bp vs the 125% bp ever been a pain in the ass teleporting? It might be perception due to being used to the one frame faster speed, but 75% seems slow :P Meh, I'd get used to it if nothing else to hear that thwack sound a scepter makes when you whack something with it.
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#18
Feb 12 2011 02:58pm
Quote (Master_Zappy @ Feb 9 2011 01:45pm)
That build surely  gets the job done, but I find grief to be lacking for a hammer-melee'r (without having to swap gear like the 1pt smite uber kit ). One of the main reason's for using a melee option on a hammerdin is to speed up or preform better on bosses. Grief hits hard(not as hard as hammers), but doesnt have the needed cb. Without that cb, you might as well skip grief and just keep using hammers. Grief is pretty awesome for pvp and on magic immunes like wailing beasts, but astrons is just as good here, and way better on bosses. (plus you get more of a boost to your hammers with the +4! )


very well

how much time do u need to farm orgs and get torch ?
iso avg time, lmk thx

ps: interesting buil, as always Sexy ;)
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#19
Feb 12 2011 03:22pm
Hmm, when would you actually use zeal with this build?

"For general pvm, zeal is better everywhere. It's faster, hits harder and multi-targets. For end bosses you'll usually want to smite instead, at least until they're slivered and switch back to zeal."

But for generel pvm hammer > zeal.....

I'd just have a normal hammer ( with 1 point in smite and fanat ) with astreons ( shael ), and draculs,2 fcr rings, coa ( with a 15 ias jewel ), gores, maras and spirit.

This setup you can get 86 fhr, get MUCH higher hammer dmg ( using concentration ), and have a 6 fpa smite for bosses AND you get the CtC life tap which is nice.

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#20
Feb 12 2011 03:37pm
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My stance on cheating and hax.
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That's quite a nice stance PM me some others you use
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