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Jul 19 2010 03:09pm
Quote (thecrazykiller @ Jul 19 2010 03:50pm)
switch to angelics if v pdinny.


If by pdinny you mean hammerdin, no.

Switch Crown of Ages -> Guilliams
Switch Arachnid's Mesh -> Hsarus Belt
Switch Gores -> Hsarus Boots
Switch Ravenfrosts -> 2x FCR rings

38 fcr is maintained and you get the AR boost

Angelics offers us:
(Ring)
Replenish Life +6
+20 To Life
+ (12 Per Character Level) 144-1188 Attack Rating (Based On Character Level)

(Amulet)
20% Damage Taken Goes to Mana
+3 To Light Radius
+75 Life (2 Set Items)

So at level 90 you'll gain 1080 AR from Angelics, lose 10 dexterity, and lose deadly strike from Highlords

Hsarus offers us:
(Belt)
Cold Resist +20%
+20 to Life
+ (2.5 Per Character Level) 2-247 Defense (Based On Character Level) (2 Items)

(Boots)
20% Faster Run/Walk
Fire Resist +25%
+ (10 Per Character Level) 10-990 Attack Rating (Based On Character Level) (2 Items)

So at level 90 you'll gain 900 AR and lose 10 dexterity (through rings, 40 from Ravenfrosts verse 30 from FCR rings)

That is, if you gear switch at all.
Hsarus > Angelics for the Deadly Strike setup
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Jul 19 2010 04:04pm
Quote (CompanyOfThree @ Jul 19 2010 09:09pm)
If by pdinny you mean hammerdin, no.

Switch Crown of Ages -> Guilliams
Switch Arachnid's Mesh -> Hsarus Belt
Switch Gores -> Hsarus Boots
Switch Ravenfrosts -> 2x FCR rings

38 fcr is maintained and you get the AR boost

Angelics offers us:
(Ring)
Replenish Life +6
+20 To Life
+ (12 Per Character Level) 144-1188 Attack Rating (Based On Character Level)

(Amulet)
20% Damage Taken Goes to Mana
+3 To Light Radius
+75 Life (2 Set Items)

So at level 90 you'll gain 1080 AR from Angelics, lose 10 dexterity, and lose deadly strike from Highlords

Hsarus offers us:
(Belt)
Cold Resist +20%
+20 to Life
+ (2.5 Per Character Level) 2-247 Defense (Based On Character Level) (2 Items)

(Boots)
20% Faster Run/Walk
Fire Resist +25%
+ (10 Per Character Level) 10-990 Attack Rating (Based On Character Level) (2 Items)

So at level 90 you'll gain 900 AR and lose 10 dexterity (through rings, 40 from Ravenfrosts verse 30 from FCR rings)

That is, if you gear switch at all.
Hsarus > Angelics for the Deadly Strike setup


I keep that in mind
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Jul 19 2010 04:41pm
I think this is the actual correct skill distribution. I don't think this is a variant, its the real deal from what i read


but u should DEFINITELY be using lacerators vs smiters. throw on angelics and enchant if its gm allowed or theyre bm, and throw axes at them each time they shift smite. i think that would really punish them when they try to outtank you
then you can clip ww them the rest of the time.


overall guide 10/10



btw for stashed gear: include cleglaws pincers! 100% must have against ES sorcs and smiters!

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jul 19 2010 04:43pm
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Jul 19 2010 04:41pm
Very nice guide as always Nick, but dont be hating about using a sexi fcr ammy instead of Hlords, u remember Thumping's ammy? imo thats the number 1 Brawler ammy ;) but all in all u hit all the points and i <3 it 10/10 for anyone who knows anything about a brawler
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Jul 19 2010 04:48pm
Are you clan_iraq?
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Jul 19 2010 05:32pm
Quote (tinhajj @ Jul 19 2010 10:48pm)
Are you clan_iraq?


no that is Goomshill

or at least thats what they say ^^
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Jul 19 2010 07:03pm
Quote (haloneya @ Jul 19 2010 07:32pm)
no that is Goomshill

or at least thats what they say ^^


No I was talking to CompanyofThree, you ruined the joke with you confusion =[.
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Jul 19 2010 08:44pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 19 2010 05:41pm)
I think this is the actual correct skill distribution. I don't think this is a variant, its the real deal from what i read

but u should DEFINITELY be using lacerators vs smiters. throw on angelics and enchant if its gm allowed or theyre bm, and throw axes at them each time they shift smite. i think that would really punish them when they try to outtank you
then you can clip ww them the rest of the time.

overall guide 10/10

btw for stashed gear: include cleglaws pincers! 100% must have against ES sorcs and smiters!


Hehe, thanks ^_^

But if you'll reference post #11 it outlines why you shouldn't be using Angelics if you decide to gear switch.
You only gain about 100 AR and lose 1 skill and a lot of Deadly Strike

Cleglaws is nice, but imo Trangs is just too dandy :p I'd say use that or a Nef'd Widowmaker if you're looking for KB.
2x FCR rings + Arach will cover the FCR missing from Trangs

Quote (xenon222 @ Jul 19 2010 05:41pm)
Very nice guide as always Nick, but dont be hating about using a sexi fcr ammy instead of Hlords, u remember Thumping's ammy? imo thats the number 1 Brawler ammy ;) but all in all u hit all the points and i <3 it 10/10 for anyone who knows anything about a brawler


Thanks homeslice :cheers:
I sortof remember it... :p yeah other gear is usuable, but I've made this build revolve around Highlords and I believe it's the most effective way to go about it :thumbsup: but to each his own :)

Quote (tinhajj @ Jul 19 2010 05:48pm)
Are you clan_iraq?


These days who isn't? ;)
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Jul 20 2010 05:14am
cleglaws is very important against ES sorcs and smiters- not really against anyone else.

An es sorc will never be thrown into FHR, because you need to inflict 1/16, 1/8, or 1/4 for the 37.5%, 75% and 100% FHR respectively. With ES, you might do 1/100 of her HP or whatever
But knockback gives you a 50% chance of FHR no matter what. Knockback always puts them into the FHR animation, which is why its so important.
At the same time, knockback is very handy against smiters as they try to close the distance, the but the 25% slow is the real killer >.> Shuts down zerker builds


The thing about comparing angelics to hsarus is- you'll want to have your stashed dungos on in a lot of the duels you need the +AR (smiters). And angelics gives a happy +115 life. But it is true that hsarus lets you go up 1 breakpoint on dthrow and save a buttload of %deadly strike, so its probably a better choice. But I think you're missing something: you can wear both!. If you stat your barbarian to have exactly 102 dexterity before rings- 64 base if you have 20 torch/anni, you'll hit glitched invisible lacerators at all setups. And if you're really going all-in against a hammerdin, you could wear angelics, hsarus, and enchant yourself if allowed and/or you're bming.




But also, the AR difference is a bit larger than that.
Angelics = +24 * level
Hsarus = +10 * level
Ravens = +600 (you need minimum ones to glitch if you're statted for angelics, ie 2x 15/250 ravens, which is +20 dexterity over angelics +10)


so 14x - 600.
At level 90, its 660 more AR
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Jul 20 2010 07:20am
btw you need 1 point frenzy badly.
Its so useful in both PvP and PvM for 1 point investment its just plain key. Nice for example against some bowazons who are trying to wsg nonstop, or for charging up on a zombie, or humiliating someone.
Also, 1 point battle cry is questionably worth it. Its way better than +2 leap imo. Its most for vs hammerdins, but some smiters can be hit with it too. Risky to land, but theres always a time for it- especially since akara can't remove it
And of course it gives you access to taunt, which is #1 barb pvp skill
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