Quote (Goomshill @ May 9 2010 09:28am)

that was shaeled stormshield



That is why the chars you build suck: Because you are bad at it.
A good frost nova sorc is better than a good light nova sorc, and they are shabby already. It will compete against many builds quite well, and only lose hard to a few.



You have no understanding of the purpose of ES if you think a frost nova sorc needs energy shield. Energy shield is useless for straight up tanking, like this build needs. You teleport on top of people and spam frost nova- you need to survive in that time. An ES build will get you almost instantly killed if you attempt this. ES is used on sorcs who are flighty and can use their time to regenerate the damage. If an ES sorc keeps kiting for 20 seconds, she'll heal back to full- otherwise vitality build is preferable.

you'll get hit by 4 physical hits in ES for every 1 in 75% block vita. Those 4 hits could easily break your ES and wreck you.
An es sorc trying to tank a bvc is a joke.
A 7500 defense 2600 hp 50% dr 75% block sorc that deals back 500 damage on every swing, is not

Quote (Goomshill @ May 9 2010 03:48am)

works better than light nova in pvp, but you need max block / dr / vita to be effective
es hurts your damage too much and frost nova is a hog and you get no light skill bonuses


the real problem is that you HAVE to tank with frost nova. With blizzard u can go es because you can avoid people and regenerate. With frost nova, ur teleing on top of them and spamming. If u were es, u would break in half and die. with max block / dr, u can outtank most people and kill them, especially with good shiver armor. great vs bvc, etc.

look at this:
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3593/novabr.jpg


so u want max block, 50% dr, maxed out vitality, rest shiver armor

Quote (mysz15 @ May 9 2010 10:23am)

well than how will u manage nice fcr and fhr with this gz mb/mdr setup? huh?
also just look at novas dmg... u need .whoah... 10 or more novas to kill 4k+ life + double raven char...
im talking about dueling skilled, well stuffed players not fuckin lames! So telling me that nova sorc is gz char causes lulz.
i know that build uv mentioned is good vs babas... BUT DO WE DUEL ONLY BABAS???? huh?
whatabout hdins, bonemancers other sorceres which are 80% of pvp chars nowadays.
Whats more... telestomping on opponent and spam nova is imo tactic for pure non skill!!!
Tele stop 1-2 novas run away repeat!
With maxed es and high mana u will come back fully regeneratetd while with pure vita ull loose life after tank and u cant do anything about that!
im gonna test ur and mine build on obn duel with my m8 and ill post here results;)

Quote (MASTER_ECHO @ May 9 2010 01:12pm)

I always liked this idea, except i wouldnt use a coh.

I use a 3 /15 frost nova ormus.

you need as much damamge as you can, some will say 1 point into cold mastery is good enough with the + skills.

But you need a secondary attack that is another element. atm Frost nova sorcs can be sorbed by one raven frost lol. To counter this i was thinking of going a partial hybrid of thunderstorm

Quote (Ghos2 @ May 9 2010 05:13am)

For my char I pretty much need to tank -> live longer while spamming because the characters I have problem with in duel games are smiters/barbs and in some cases hybsins
and to beat these I need more block and dr I guess.. not sure tho, thats why I created this thread. To seek info and help about this build
but each of these builds kills me in 1 hit xcept for barbs who get me in 2-3 since they use ww.

Quote (Ghos2 @ May 9 2010 05:16am)

well not really tbh, I duelled a pretty decent charger and he said that he wore only 1 raven for cold abs. I killed him in like 2-3 attacks including thunderstorm tho but that didnt really help that much ^^
thanks for feedback tho, Im planning on buying that ormus but I havent seen one so far

Quote (MASTER_ECHO @ May 9 2010 01:21pm)

This build needs very high fcr aswell.

When i built mine back in 1.12, i built it with very similar gear to a nova sorc. Sorc infinity + frost nova ormus etc. you need to hit the fcr breakpoint before 200, i think it's 125. It's been a long time.
You don't do much damamge at once.

Thunderstorm will really help.

I built mine:

20 frost nova
20 blizzard
20 frozen orb
1 cold mastery
20 thunderstorm
1-20 lite mastery (rest)

You're thunderstorm will help alot more than you can possibly imagine.

For GC's you can choose between more cold damage or more lite damage (I prefered more lite)
you need to get a bit of fhr aswell so you can tele out asap.

Remember with thunderstorm you can play defensive and offensive and still win.

Quote (MASTER_ECHO @ May 9 2010 01:24pm)

they are cheap as hell, i got mine for a mal in game (5fg LOL)\

EDIT: TS 1-3 shots a few classes. I miss one shotting zons when they dont dodge. It also can put people into dodge lock.