Only read the beginning and some random stuff in the middle and already found these two. What the fuck? Please check some basic guides here on jsp.

This post was edited by MateDeVita on Apr 28 2010 05:01am

wouldn't a a2 might merc with reapers 40ed/15ias + guillaumes 15ias + treachery be better for chaosing? much damage and crushing blow for bosses and diablo.

(note : my point is not to pretend that my point of view is > to your, just to discuss the choice for some items/skills )

* bone armor : why not using it ? 700+ *3 physical dmg absorbed is always nice to have, and from my own experience, it's more interesting than %dr

* storm as bloc shield? although storm is #1 shield for pvp nec, in pvm, i'd rather use homonculus, and for csing especialy : +2sk, 40@, better %base bloc than storm, ... i find it far more interesting ( storm only give cold/light res, the most important res to get while csing is fire, so ... ; %dr is not that effective in cs, a bit more against nilathak's vipers, ... )

* mara ? ; i don't like it on a boner, i'd like a fcr one by far ( ofc, u loose some life cuz -2bo compared to mara, but u gain more fexibility on your built, and can use a non fcr ring, such as dwarf star for example ( 40life+fire abs for csing )

* eni on mp : mp skin sucks on nec, bp >>> ( or some heavy armor such as gothic or ancient got a nice skin too, but frw malus+difficulties to wear it, so ... :/ )

* amp ?? apparently, in your video, u don't use amp vs nilathak, myself, i'll rather go that way : a few wall to protect ( if needed, depend on situation),amp then a few spear to kill some monster, then CE untill everyone is down ; i fell that kinda faster, especialy when many players IG



This post was edited by artemise on Apr 28 2010 08:30am

GG guide. A lot of non-PvM'rs will hate on you though pat, they don't understand how CS works

nice job

OK, read the whole guide now, other than these two things it seems decent enough. For hoto you don't really need to change your whole setup, you could just change mara's for a 2/10/res/etc. amu
You'll lose around 30 res, but that's covered by ~6 scs (6x1 = 6 places in inv). You'll get +1 all skills and +2 all necro skills, which is worth more than 3 pnb sks (3x3 = 9 places in inv).
As for the mana, you can use the a2 hf insight merc as was already suggested. The hf will slow all monsters, not just the undead (like sancturay would) and the merc is a better tank.

This post was edited by MateDeVita on Apr 28 2010 08:57am

I really enjoyed that video, lol. Hardly cared about the guide, to be honest; but the video is gg.

Lol pat

you sam

I really appreciate all the comments guys




well yeah, bone armor can be pretty nice, i've never used it though, probably just because I'm lazy, but that's why I said it is completely up to the user if they want bone armor or not
And homunculus..yeah I once used it as my main shield in chaos, and it really is a good shield, but personally, I choose the max DR over the resist/skill. Seis will be definately be the most deadliest, so I think tanking him should have priority over Infector
And Dwarf is a nice suggestion, but like I said with the boots, you could just use hotspurs if you were having trouble with Infector or fire resists instead of having to change your ring/ammy around
The armor type was just random, I just love the red pants =)
And as for amp..yeah I'll admit that I guess I forgot thought of that, certainly a good idea though
Oh and if you are using Amp, you're going to want to have a low level for a low radius, so you can still still Dim Vision the monsters around (witches/snakes)
Snakes can tear down a bone prison very fastly, so it is pretty ideal for them


Well don't forget that the merc is also constantly firing ice bolts at everything too (especially when the monsters are closest)in addition to the sanctuary
And yeah, a2 could certainly tank better, but the merc is honestly fine, all mine ever dies from is Diablo himself, and very rarely at Seis
And if you're talking about just plain resist scs's, then that means you're going to lose a nice bit of life too. 20/5 would certainly be ideal, but I also tried to make this guide as cheap as possible (because this was my build at reset, and there was no way I was affording 20/5's, or even a CoA)
Oh and at the useless statement, I was just referring to a PvM Bone Necro. I hear they are great in PvP, but in reality, they cannot do much on their own in PvM at all

This post was edited by pattywacker on Apr 28 2010 12:37pm

Yep, I meant 20/5s of course (or 19/5s or similar). Yeah, that could be a bit costly but those skillers aren't exactly free either. Still, I get your point.

Found what I've been looking for about the vipers in nihi's place:
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=23858461&f=87