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Feb 28 2010 05:12am
I really don't understand why people post always trash summoner guides. Hoto? LOL? Bonesnap Iron Golem for ubers ? ROFL? But WTF you recommend dream on summoner ? Just because of the holy shock aura? Wait one moment... do you think that the aura adds lightning damage to your minion's attack? Btw the guides which you are referring to usdo also blow. Just stick to Sladeinflame7's summoner guide. It's the best effective build which has been posted on d2jsp yet.

This post was edited by Atroce on Feb 28 2010 05:13am
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Feb 28 2010 05:14am
Quote (Atroce @ 28 Feb 2010 12:12)
I really don't understand why people post always trash summoner guides. Hoto? LOL? Bonesnap Iron Golem for ubers ? ROFL? But WTF you recommend dream on summoner ? Just because of the holy shock aura? Wait one moment... do you think that the aura adds lightning damage to your minion's attack? Btw the guides which you are referring to usdo also blow. Just stick to Sladeinflame7's summoner guide. It's the best effective build which has been posted on d2jsp yet.

Link? I don't see it in stickies.
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Feb 28 2010 05:16am
Quote (MateDeVita @ 28 Feb 2010 12:14)
Link? I don't see it in stickies.


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=29209080&f=87
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Feb 28 2010 05:21am
Quote (Atroce @ 28 Feb 2010 12:16)

Looks decent + says max CE + gives 125%fcr, which is good enough for me.
Doesn't look cheap to me though.

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Feb 28 2010 05:30am
I wouldn't agree with all the gear choices etc what Sladeinflame7 made but it's alot better than this.

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Link? I don't see it in stickies.

Most good guides don't make it to the stickied. Most stickied guides are pretty trash, specially the "pvm" ones.
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Feb 28 2010 05:35am
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I wouldn't agree with all the gear choices etc what Sladeinflame7 made but it's alot better than this.


Most good guides don't make it to the stickied. Most stickied guides are pretty trash, specially the "pvm" ones.

So, what gear would you use on your PvM summoner?
Chris's forum isn't working for me (again), so I can't get to the good stuff.
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So, what gear would you use on your PvM summoner?
Chris's forum isn't working for me (again), so I can't get to the good stuff.


I made him 75% fcr, 125 just isn't worth it imho (basicall only boosts your teleport speed...)

Shako "pt"
enigma
TO gloves
arach
Wt's

Alibaba "istist" usually, beast when I want a bit more damage
Homu "ist". Gives sweet MAEK (and regen mana) and I love it. Also has good res and skills.

2 nec, 20 fcr amulet
2 fcr rings

With might merc (using eth infi thresher, treachery, guilli) single player games are extremely easy and fast to run.
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Quote (MateDeVita @ 28 Feb 2010 12:35)
So, what gear would you use on your PvM summoner?
Chris's forum isn't working for me (again), so I can't get to the good stuff.


The build of my choice would be...

Gear
Helm: Shako
Armor: Enigma / Viper
Belt: Arach
Gloves: Magefists (+1 Fire Skills boost also CE)
1. Weapon: Beast in a weapon of your choice ( BA for usability, War Scepter for style)
2. Weapon: Arm of King Leoric ( For "precasting" your minions)
Shield 1.: Homunculus
Shield 2.: Darkforce (+3 Summon Skills or a magic nec head with +summon skills, raise skeleton and so on - for "precasting")
Boots: Marrows / Aldurs
Rings: Whisp & SoJ or 10 Fcr Ring (for 48 Fcr bp if you are using enigma)
Amu: Maras

Skills
20 Raise Skeleton
20 Raise Skeleton Mages
20 Skeleton Mastery
20 CE
1 Pnt in all curses
1 Pnt in Golem Mastery, Summon Resist, Clay Golem ( IG sucks, CG beats all other golems) and Revive
1 Pnt in Psn Nova (Helps to negate life repl of monsters but take care of nhd)

Merc
Act2 Might Merc 1#
Infy, Treachery, Gulli

The inventory is self-explantory imo. Keep some free room for drops. A Cube in your inventory is also recommended. Gheeds, Torch and Anni are nice to have.
Skills aren't a must. Feel free to use some res charms for maximum res if you don't know how to stay behind your minions^^
But honestly I have to say that a pure summoner is boring. I would rather play a psn nova necro with maxed CE and 1 skillpoint in skele mastery, raise skeleton, clay golem, summon resist, golem mastery and revive.

Quote (TheBe @ 28 Feb 2010 13:01)
I made him 75% fcr, 125 just isn't worth it imho (basicall only boosts your teleport speed...)

Shako "pt"
enigma
TO gloves
arach
Wt's

Alibaba "istist" usually, beast when I want a bit more damage
Homu "ist". Gives sweet MAEK (and regen mana) and I love it. Also has good res and skills.

2 nec, 20 fcr amulet
2 fcr rings

With might merc (using eth infi thresher, treachery, guilli) single player games are extremely easy and fast to run.


I'm typing too slow :angry:

This post was edited by Atroce on Feb 28 2010 06:03am
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Quote (Atroce @ 28 Feb 2010 12:02)
The build of my choice would be...

Gear
Helm: Shako
Armor: Enigma / Viper
Belt: Arach
Gloves: Magefists (+1 Fire Skills boost also CE)
1. Weapon: Beast in a weapon of your choice ( BA for usability, War Scepter for style)
2. Weapon: Arm of King Leoric ( For "precasting" your minions)
Shield 1.: Homunculus
Shield 2.: Darkforce (+3 Summon Skills or a magic nec head with +summon skills, raise skeleton and so on - for "precasting")
Boots: Marrows / Aldurs
Rings: Whisp & SoJ or 10 Fcr Ring (for 48 Fcr bp if you are using enigma)
Amu: Maras

Skills
20 Raise Skeleton
20 Raise Skeleton Mages
20 Skeleton Mastery
20 CE
1 Pnt in all curses
1 Pnt in Golem Mastery, Summon Resist, Clay Golem ( IG sucks, CG beats all other golems) and Revive
1 Pnt in Psn Nova (Helps to negate life repl of monsters but take care of nhd)

Merc
Act2 Might Merc 1#
Infy, Treachery, Gulli

The inventory is self-explantory imo. Keep some free room for drops. A Cube in your inventory is also recommended. Gheeds, Torch and Anni are nice to have.
Skills aren't a must. Feel free to use some res charms for maximum res if you don't know how to stay behind your minions^^
But honestly I have to say that a pure summoner is boring. I would rather play a psn nova necro with maxed CE and 1 skillpoint in skele mastery, raise skeleton, clay golem, summon resist, golem mastery and revive.



I'm typing too slow :angry:


:P Nuben irl obviously.

Oh, and I use aokl + darkforce on switch, ofcourse. Anni, torch and few mf charms and thats it :)
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Feb 28 2010 09:39pm
Quote (Styxzz @ 28 Feb 2010 05:07)
First :D

will read later

Nice graphics dude :O


TY :Thumbsup:


Quote (tudey @ 28 Feb 2010 05:12)
why are you using lower resists? rather use amp


I use all the curses.. But before there are any corpses I use amp damage untill 1 or 2 are dead.
Then I switch to lower resist before corpse explosion as it does much more damage than skellies.
Expecially in large dense groups. Don't knock it till you try it.


Quote (TheBe @ 28 Feb 2010 05:16)
Sorry but this guide isn't too good.. Dream? 20 in golem mastery? More than one in summon res? Not maxed CE? You are not using amp even if you do use infinity? Faith merc? Darkforce as main shield? You actually need cta on switch?

the list goes on..

BUT, first of all, never center your text and someone might actually read your guide.


Ok.. I know of all these builds you are talking about.. This is not a fishy mancer, and does not use skeleton mages.
It is a corpse explosion/curse support class mostly. And can easily solo with regular skeletons and faith merc as well as any fishymancer..
Not to mention that your great fishymancer cant chaos. Which is kinda important when you think about it...
Atroce even mentioned Sladeinflame7's summoner guide which is a fishymancer where it clearly says

"You can mf wherever you like, the only hard place is chaos. You can run it, but it requires revives, also your merc will die – so that’s the pain for me that’s why i am never doing chaos with summoner."
Dream is FHR Life and Res. Plus sexy. Rest of the gear is to meet breakpoints and skill breakpoints.. Thanks.

Please read all of it before posting.


Quote (TheBe @ 28 Feb 2010 07:01)
I made him 75% fcr, 125 just isn't worth it imho (basicall only boosts your teleport speed...)

Shako "pt"
enigma
TO gloves
arach
Wt's

Alibaba "istist" usually, beast when I want a bit more damage
Homu "ist". Gives sweet MAEK (and regen mana) and I love it. Also has good res and skills.

2 nec, 20 fcr amulet
2 fcr rings

With might merc (using eth infi thresher, treachery, guilli) single player games are extremely easy and fast to run.

:rofl: :banana: :rofl:

Quote (grinderpet @ 28 Feb 2010 05:17)
Gj


Quote (MateDeVita @ 28 Feb 2010 05:23)
You know, you did read it, otherwise you wouldn't be able to criticize it ^_^

@guide: gg perfect equipment lol :)
+ awesome amu


Thanks guys!


Quote (Atroce @ 28 Feb 2010 06:12)
I really don't understand why people post always trash summoner guides. Hoto? LOL? Bonesnap Iron Golem for ubers ? ROFL? But WTF you recommend dream on summoner ? Just because of the holy shock aura? Wait one moment... do you think that the aura adds lightning damage to your minion's attack? Btw the guides which you are referring to usdo also blow. Just stick to Sladeinflame7's summoner guide. It's the best effective build which has been posted on d2jsp yet.

Direct quote from your recommended guide.
"You can mf wherever you like, the only hard place is chaos. You can run it, but it requires revives, also your merc will die – so that’s the pain for me that’s why i am never doing chaos with summoner."

Thank you. I can run everything without dying once because I keep my infinity golem up...
Think about why I allocated differant things differant places before demanding that the old way is better.


Please keep comments/ideas coming..
But keep in mind...

I know what a freaking fishymancer is.. Ive had 3 level 99 Necromancers and all have been summoners... 2 of them fishymancers. This build is better in alot of ways although it kills bosses at about half the speed of a GfG Fishymancer with all summons up, it kills groups of monsters (expecially baals throne room) MUCH faster (Entire screens of monsters dropping at once) than any fishymancer ever could think about, and your merc survives anything, you can tele anywhere ez with 125fcr/86fhr and with my gear set listed you have 3k life. The Bone Visage and Archon plate is the most sexy looking necromancer as well if you ask me... Plus with you lowering resists 100ish+ or decrepify/amp damage/confusing everything so you are a serious asset to any group. So long story short, if your gunna post "This build sucks you need beast and a shako!@!@!".. Please don't.


This post was edited by NechroniC on Feb 28 2010 10:04pm
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