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Jan 19 2010 10:54pm
Quote (Norad777 @ Jan 19 2010 11:43pm)
Interesting build.


mhm lots of fun and very underestimated

Quote (bwaller420 @ Jan 19 2010 11:36pm)
Makes me want to make one =p .
Nice guide ^_^.


heh there fun XD my favourit dueling character by far.

Quote (CompanyOfThree @ Jan 19 2010 11:23pm)
Looks solid. I saw a guy on east (could be you, don't remember his name) but after he would WC stun you, he would switch to en ebotdz and zerk you real fast xD


I has a build like that were I would use grief and something with open wounds. I would ww to do some damage use ow and warcry them :)
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Jan 20 2010 12:55am
Even though some consider it BM...you should mention something about keeping a Gavel of Pain handy (3 amp charges weapon).

Singers can/are very underpowered against alot of char's and the amp gives a great boost to you as a whole (mainly for pub games and bm'ing and/or if someone allows it).
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Jan 20 2010 12:57am
Quote (Desighn @ 20 Jan 2010 05:47)
Amulet: 2 Barb/17+FCR/20dex/Life/Mana.

Why 17+fcr?
You'll get 107fcr with equipment you suggested.
(Amulet 17fcr + Wizardspike 50fcr + Arachnid 20fcr + Magefist 20fcr = 107fcr)
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Jan 20 2010 02:15am
Quote (Desighn @ 20 Jan 2010 05:47)

Amulet: 2 Barb/17+FCR/20dex/Life/Mana.


an amulet with 5fcr is enough

vs melee: wizzy (50fcr) + Arach (20fcr) + Mages/Trangs (20fcr) + Ring (10fcr) + Amulet (5fcr) = 105 Fcr
vs casters: dual hoto (80fcr) + Arach (20fcr) + Amulet (5fcr) =105 Fcr

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Jan 20 2010 03:43am
do you make any real dmg with a singer? it's blockable, right? and what about dr?

avg dmg: 1,6k dmg => pvp 1/6 = 267 => after mb 1/4 = 67, not sure if dr works, but if it does, it's only 33,5 avg. dmg
Even if dr does not work it's still low.

if you make smth like 3,125 atacks pr. second, it will take 5000/(67*3,25) = 23 seconds of constant singing to kill a char with 5k life. If dr does work it will take 46 seconds.

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Jan 20 2010 08:44am
Quote (gerdi_trade @ Jan 20 2010 04:43am)
do you make any real dmg with a singer? it's blockable, right? and what about dr?

avg dmg: 1,6k dmg => pvp 1/6 = 267 => after mb 1/4 = 67, not sure if dr works, but if it does, it's only 33,5 avg. dmg
Even if dr does not work it's still low.

if you make smth like 3,125 atacks pr. second, it will take 5000/(67*3,25) = 23 seconds of constant singing to kill a char with 5k life. If dr does work it will take 46 seconds.


yes max block does work on war cry but I am not to sure if dr does, when the enemy has mb simply leap around and then tele stomp stun long enough for ur team. You will have enough fcr in order to cast a stun off. And once again remember your goal is not to do damage.
If you want a singer barb for damage you just be a glass cannon but in a barb form. Which I find is very useless.
But if that is what people want on version 2 of this guide( which I will be making to include dueling strategies and such) it will include that and many more :)

Quote (dnb-torond @ Jan 20 2010 03:15am)
an amulet with 5fcr is enough

vs melee: wizzy (50fcr) + Arach (20fcr) + Mages/Trangs (20fcr) + Ring (10fcr) + Amulet (5fcr) = 105 Fcr
vs casters: dual hoto (80fcr) + Arach (20fcr) + Amulet (5fcr) =105 Fcr


Quote (RaBBit3x @ Jan 20 2010 01:57am)
Why 17+fcr?
You'll get 107fcr with equipment you suggested.
(Amulet 17fcr + Wizardspike 50fcr + Arachnid 20fcr + Magefist 20fcr = 107fcr)


the more fcr you can achieve on you amulet the mote flexability you can use in ur gear foe example instead of mages frosties for mana. I find the options for hear you have the better.

Quote (Tylenol @ Jan 20 2010 01:55am)
Even though some consider it BM...you should mention something about keeping a Gavel of Pain handy (3 amp charges weapon).

Singers can/are very underpowered against alot of char's and the amp gives a great boost to you as a whole (mainly for pub games and bm'ing and/or if someone allows it).


The goal of a singer barb is no to do damage rather to tale damage and stun enemies in order to get teamates to kill them, although my build isn't focused on damage I have been known to easily kill anyone who is not mb
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Jan 20 2010 09:49am
serving as helper in pvp does not sounds appealing
and yes war cry does physical damage so it can be further reduced with dr.
unfortunatelly blizzard screwed this skill. to less damage blockable physical. if they just change it to non blockable (like spell should be) and magical it will be excellent...
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Quote (vknez @ 21 Jan 2010 00:49)
serving as helper in pvp does not sounds appealing
and yes war cry does physical damage so it can be further reduced with dr.
unfortunatelly blizzard screwed this skill. to less damage blockable physical. if they just change it to non blockable (like spell should be) and magical it will be excellent...


yep.

blockable by three quarters of the time...
damage further reduced by half the other quarter of the time...
an extremely mana consuming attack and insight is really not a good pvp singer weapon..., nor is weapon switch very practical....
the way it stuns is not very effective for a pvp environment compared to mindblast. Even leap is better.. AoE too small. If a stun skill has little AoE, it should be a range stun. But WC is a close-range attack. Increasing the AoE of WC would be awesome for barbs, but it would be unbalance for other players

the results in the overall, damage too low to be of any danger to anyone..


it will remain as an unpopular pvp build for everyone until maybe for the future blizz do something to it.



Overall, Great Guide!! 3 stars out of 5 for effort!

This post was edited by Soka_Gakkai on Jan 20 2010 10:22am
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Jan 20 2010 11:29am
srry i vote no,

couse taunt have no use at all! i can not be used in pvp, and you not want to lower the ar from summons in pvp!
howl max, rest in taunt would be better for pvp, howl in pvp = running golems/grizly/wolves/skellies
also i myself like to take increased speed lvl1! running is nice on all char!
more howl info:
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=39057520&f=87

and on a max block version, mebe a widowmaker on switch(ow+psn?) or any gear fun options? i miss it!
like the shadowdancer not allow this! couse the storm str you use for it!
so shadowdancer is missing the press w option! (for like 2 x hoto, to boost bo/leap)

ofc your a singer, and i like singers, so good you make a guide!
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Jan 20 2010 11:38am
Quote (Tommyvv @ Jan 20 2010 12:29pm)
srry i vote no,

couse taunt have no use at all! i can not be used in pvp, and you not want to lower the ar from summons in pvp!
howl max, rest in taunt would be better for pvp, howl in pvp = running golems/grizly/wolves/skellies
also i myself like to take increased speed lvl1! running is nice on all char!
more howl info:
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=39057520&f=87

and on a max block version, mebe a widowmaker on switch(ow+psn?) or any gear fun options? i miss it!
like the shadowdancer not allow this! couse the storm str you use for it!
so shadowdancer is missing the press w option! (for like 2 x hoto, to boost bo/leap)

ofc your a singer, and i like singers, so good you make a guide!


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