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Quote (DesignedForWar @ Fri, Nov 28 2008, 03:08pm)
try to get a sticky for this guide, pm him:
http://forums.d2jsp.org/index.php?showtopic=25002470&f=21


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Quote (starstyler @ Fri, Nov 28 2008, 03:05pm)
nice guide, never tried the botd wp part, but i can vouch the rest is good for cs ^^ mine's banned aswell xD


thx smile.gif i still don't know whitch build i like best myself
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Quote (uberubie @ Thu, Nov 27 2008, 07:18pm)
Intro:

Well cs-baba is a fun pvm-char, and it is the fastest cs-er. Yes it can be faster then a hammer.
There are 2 different kinds of builds, the one is safer, but less fast, the other is more dangerous, but extremly fast.

Gear:

Build 1: Grief/storm build. This is the 'safe' build, you will have 51 dr, max block and full resi with this.
With both builds were gonna get the 105 fcr bp, you can decide for yourself if you want the 86fhr bp or not. (I didn't use it)

- armor: enigma (mp, dusk, w/e)
- helmet: arreat(if you want 86 fhr bp use 7fhr jool with adds like dex and resist, if you don't want 86 fhr bp use smth like 40ed/15ias jool)
- amu: highlords (you need the ias, and the skill is usefull aswell ofc smile.gif )
- rings: raven 20dex, try getting as high ar as possible. And a 10 fc/dex/ar ring
- belt: arach
- gloves: laying of hands (the % extra dmg to demons owns, and the ias aswell ofc ^.^)
- boots: waterwalk 65 life
- weapon: grief pb (33+ ias is must!!)
- shield: storm 'ber' with this you have 50% dr bp
- switch: hoto/spirit 35 fcr. This is for tele and bo!

merc: a1 merc
- faith (give ar and ias bonus, you don't want anything else)
- eth upped guardian ummed
- kira's ummed

With your bo, she won't die.

inventory:
- 2x 12 fhr wc sks (if u want the fhr, with the 7fhr jool in arreat you'll have 86 fhr bp [with spirit switch ofc])
- 7x life wc sks, try getting as high as possible. (5x life if you use 2x fhr sks)
- 7x life ar scs would be best of, but if u can't afford, just get 20 life scs
- anni 20-xx-x
- torch 20-xx

This build is safe, u wil have ~1.4k zerk dmg, but you will be a bit slower.

Build 2: botd wp build
Gear is all the same, except for the grief/storm. Instead you will use botd wp.
You can kill most bosses with 3-4 hits, but u won't have 50% dr bp, no mb and no defence!
Ofc you won't die fast cause of howl (see tactic section), but if you're up against alot of monsters at seis, you will have to use some rejuvs.
Always remember, manaburn can rip you in a matter of seconds, if you have IM, you will use regular attack and well then your screwed.
With this build you will have ~23k zerk dmg.

Skills:
- increased stamina: 1 point
- increased speed: 1 point
- iron skin: 1 point
- natural resistance: 1 point
- leap: 1 point
- berserk: max
- howl: max
- shout: max
- battle orders: max
- battle command: 1 point
- rest into sword mastery or spear mastery (depending on build)
optional: you can also get 1 point into whirlwind and battle cry (the -defence warcry thingy), but i almost never use them both so imo they are wasted skills.

Stats:

str: enough for equipment
dex: enough for maxblock (if you use grief/storm), if you use botd you might want to add a little, for more ar, imo you have enough without adding dex (you'll have ~11k ar or more)
vita: rest here ofc
ener: don't put anything here

Tactics:

Here's a video. Please note: I made this in single player (my cd-keys are still banned), I used botd wp build, I only got perfect items on this one (perf botd, anni, torch, 7x 3/20/20 and 45 life sks) And I could've been a couple of seconds faster (I forgot to switch to tele @ infector, you will see I howl a couple of times to many there tongue.gif)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni4MF51IHMo

I might add another one later using the grief/storm build.

Take river wp and bo, tele to grand vizier first (the flying thingy) open both seals, howl a couple of times, tele onto the vizier, switch to grief/botd and use berserk on him.
Next go to the venom lords, open the seal that doesn't spawn the venom lords first, then the other seal. Same tactic, howl a couple of times, tele onto infector, switch to grief/botd and kill it. Last but not least, imo he is always the toughest to beat: Seis. Open the seal, howl and tele onto him. He can be a real pain in the ass, 99% of the time he will cast decrep curse (that's why u have faith merc, more ias) He will start running around often (with decrep this is a pain in the ass aswell). If you can't find him because there are too many monsters, use leap and try to find him as fast as possible. You can use leap on the other monsters aswell, can come in pretty handy sometimes.

And well what else can I say, practice makes perfect. The longer you play with this char, the better you will become, and the faster ofc ^.^
Beware of mana burn, cause with both builds, this is the ting that has most chance of killing you, and be carefull at seis, he will run toward other monsters, and if u come to close to them they will start hitting you again (even with howl). If you use the botd build, this can kill you aswell fast aswell.

Plz keep in mind that this is my first real guide, and it's the first version


/ubie

Instead of Arreats, u could use Guillaumes Face, would be more offensive wink.gif And a Spirit Sword would be better, since the Block actually just disturbs on a shield with no FBR...
And instead of WWs, Gores. As sasid, more damage can't damage.


To the "BotD WP" Build: Forget it.
The weapon is slow, it just sucks.
U'll have no defense anyway, but still the Grief PB is better.
Then: Don't rely on the Screendamage with the Grief PB...

Then: Why WC Skillers? Max/AR/Life SCs or better, GCs would be much more effective.
Also, i miss the Warcry... it's a pretty good safety spell for a Zerker.
sLvl. 16 with items is already enough, to have a stabile safety concept.
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Nov 28 2008 02:29pm
Quote (Mors_Agni @ Fri, Nov 28 2008, 08:18pm)
Instead of Arreats, u could use Guillaumes Face, would be more offensive wink.gif And a Spirit Sword would be better, since the Block actually just disturbs on a shield with no FBR...
And instead of WWs, Gores. As sasid, more damage can't damage.


To the "BotD WP" Build: Forget it.
The weapon is slow, it just sucks.
U'll have no defense anyway, but still the Grief PB is better.
Then: Don't rely on the Screendamage with the Grief PB...

Then: Why WC Skillers? Max/AR/Life SCs or better, GCs would be much more effective.
Also, i miss the Warcry... it's a pretty good safety spell for a Zerker.
sLvl. 16 with items is already enough, to have a stabile safety concept.


if you look at my movie, you will see that the botd wp build is fast, since i use it there sleep.gif

arreat is for more ar, skill, dex, str. guillaum sux for it imo, since you don't need the crushing blow. and ww is for the life, dex and max fire resist, once again you don't need the crushing blow

wc sks is to get a better howl and bo.

and warcry is a useless spell in cs. I also tried to make a singer cs-barb smile.gif but it sucked bigtime biggrin.gif


This post was edited by uberubie on Nov 28 2008 02:33pm
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Nov 28 2008 02:31pm
AR shouldn't be a problem... wink.gif

And the Skills aren't as much dmaage as the 15% DS are.
Gores have also again 15% DS what is overall a lot more Damage, than u could gain with the 65 Life and 15 Dex by the WWs.
Maxfireres... not really needed if u ask me.

And the WC Skillers are simply not the bes option smile.gif
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Quote (Mors_Agni @ Fri, Nov 28 2008, 10:31pm)
AR shouldn't be a problem... wink.gif

And the Skills aren't as much dmaage as the 15% DS are.
Gores have also again 15% DS what is overall a lot more Damage, than u could gain with the 65 Life and 15 Dex by the WWs.
Maxfireres... not really needed if u ask me.

And the WC Skillers are simply not the bes option smile.gif


sry but, yes they are smile.gif I tried it with only 3/20/20's and i just like the wc sks better.

€: and for the grief/storm build, ww's are a must, to get the max block, using the botd u might be able to change a little.

This post was edited by uberubie on Nov 28 2008 02:37pm
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Nov 28 2008 02:44pm
Pb > Ba , way faster zerking and less repairs.
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Nov 28 2008 02:52pm
Quote (Mevonis @ Fri, Nov 28 2008, 10:44pm)
Pb > Ba , way faster zerking and less repairs.


I know smile.gif, never said this though tongue.gif

keep in mind, ur grief pb must have at least 33% ias
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