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Jul 8 2008 08:07am
i prefer ali, much mf+nice gf
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Jul 8 2008 08:44am
Must admit I prefer x2 Alis also early in ladder for nice MF bonus.

One rather basic point on the purpose of all this -= gambling

No-one ever seems to point out the best gambling tool....
Little 3 sox bow tir,tal,amn 'edge' takes up 6 slots in stash - swap for ali's when u gamble

Its like having x2 gheeds smile.gif
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Jul 8 2008 09:32am
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. Faster Runs Even in HARDCORE and Hell difficulty;
...A.. You can tele your merc into position instantly, hence no w8ing on it to walk to you or appear
...B.. You do not need to change wpn because of physical immunes (Bonehew > Damage than Reapers)
...C.. You do not have to leave game and leave a physical immune in there and can not kill with bonehew or other
...D.. You do not have to worry about your merc dying, he leeches more life with life tap, so you do not have to recover merc as much
...E.. You keep a very high amount of Goldfind percentage, and getting upto 150k per kill and also upto another 150k per horck (sometimes the bod gives 3 amounts of gold when horcking and killing)

This build does approximately 2 - 3 runs and fills a lvl95 character up with gold (that is in the chest and the inventory)
I should know, I was doing it last season and filled up 2 accounts full of lvl89-96 lvl chars, the reason why I did this, is so that I could just gamble all the gold in just one game and POSSIBLY get better items.

Eth Hone Sundan (forgot name) is a good weapon, 1 more slot, no BoneSpear skill
Reapers toll has the ability to shatter
as for Obedience, no need.
As for the whirler, i am assuming that you mean a WW Barb (if not ignore), If you can run enough games to fill up a lvl95 character with gold b4 i were to do 2-3 runs, then I might concede.
Ali baba's are old school, they are for the mf and goldfind, yes they are not disputed, but I have found more Jewellers with less mf.



1st of all...
your merc may do up to 4 attacks/s
a whirler on maxspeed with 2 weapons attacks 12,5 times/second

meaning roughly 3 times faster killspeed... not to mention higher damage, more ofgten triggered cb and so on
or the fact that your merc attacks one monster at a time, while the whirler attacks several monsters at the same time

so basiccally a lot faster runs -icon_pointr.gif not that much less EG.... I doubt that you have 4 times the amount of eg on a shouter than on a whirler
----icon_pointr.gif more gold in the same amount of time

2nd: bonehew deals far less damage than reapers because reaper`s has 33% ds meaning 33% chance to deal double damage
bonespear without synergies does not deal that much damage lvl 16 bonespoear deals: 154 - 162 (ø158)
3rd: high council are bosses with high amount of life... CB deals most damage with bosses
-icon_pointr.gif obedience> bonehew
other weapons are also far better than bonehew, like insight or tombreaver...........


4th...
I have never met any barb that hadf any problems with physical immunes.. what do you have berzerk for?

5th I never worry about any merc dying tal rasha helmet/guillaumes/s face (um) + gladi and he is safe in travi... if he has some nice decent weapon
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Jul 8 2008 10:03am
Must admit - I use ww with botd etc for a few secs to reduce their life, then switch to twin alis & let merc finish them off.
Faster but keeps same gold levels.
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Jul 8 2008 10:04am
use dualgriefs.. they deal far mroe damage than botd
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Jul 8 2008 10:14am
Quote (Ancalagon @ Tue, Jul 8 2008, 04:04pm)
use dualgriefs.. they deal far mroe damage than botd


This is new ladder - I got the zod cheaper than Lo
x2 griefs expensive this early.

Also I prefer botd as they give massive leech & never break!
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Jul 8 2008 10:23am
pb`s never brake either

not to mention your dupeusage
with lo`s more expensive than zods ^1^

you have other sources for ll and ml
+ dam> leach because if the dam is higher you leach more with less%
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Jul 8 2008 10:29am
Quote (Ancalagon @ Tue, Jul 8 2008, 04:23pm)
pb`s never brake either

not to mention your dupeusage
with lo`s more expensive than zods ^1^

you have other sources for ll and ml
+ dam> leach because if the dam is higher you leach more with less%


Lol sorry m8 - I would never use Pb grief on WW baba - 33% extra range/hit area with Ba.
The only weapon is Ba.
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Jul 8 2008 10:31am
you don´t gain that much from the range because monsters are normally in 1-2 range to you as you whilr through them

only point where the range could make any real difference is when whirling through blowtube flayers

and even there that difference is deniable

for pvm it does not matter
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Jul 8 2008 10:59am
Quote (Ancalagon @ Tue, Jul 8 2008, 04:31pm)
you don´t gain that much from the range because monsters are normally in 1-2 range to you as you whilr through them

only point where the range could make any real difference is when whirling through blowtube flayers

and even there that difference is deniable

for pvm it does not matter


I have to disagree - as I play pvp ww baba/bvc even inside the temple there is enough room to miss monsters in ww. I prefer a shot gun at close range - not a sniper.
Pb is fine for smiter imo
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