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Feb 29 2008 08:59am
Quote (Smart_Player @ Fri, Feb 29 2008, 09:49am)
hey , good job!
However Passives help as much as they obtrude! - If far from enemy you encounter one of his missiles and you avoid/evade it , it is nice! But if the enmy gets locked to you and start to pump you with his attacks you will "squat" again and again and until the passives give up and you die cause you didn't have a chance to attack back cause for "squating"! sleep.gif


The reason this is usually a problem is because of their low FHR. When a Zon finishes a series of passive skill dodge animations they are forced into a hit recovery animation and their FHR is so low that they take several hits and they don’t have a chance to recover and shoot back or run. And when they do finishing recovering they are either dead or backing dodging again.

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Feb 29 2008 09:12am
Wow. Very nice character - the only char I ever really pvp'd with was a bowzon, years ago. Very well written guide, looks like you put a lot of time/effort into this.
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Feb 29 2008 09:39am
Please note the following corrections as I can no longer edit my original post.

4)GEAR

HELM – Crown of Ages
25+ res, 15% dr and 2 sockets are a must here. Socket this with 2x 40/15 or other ias jewels

CHARMS
20/15+ anni
20/15+ torch
20x 3/15+/20 life
8-10x 3/15+/5% frw
0-2x 175psn/20life
7x 18+/5% res all

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Feb 29 2008 10:10am
nice aproach; i have to comment on the strategy vs bow amas though : glass cannons will have more frw than you and they can use those javelins skills you laugh at to hit you => knockback(and slow) while they run(or if you have slower reaction times they namelock you first , knock you out of screen with javelin thus removing your ability to namelock and then chain GA at you).Once out of your screen they can fire arrows at you and then repeat the process if you get close. Against pros you're better off trying to snipe them and count on your high life to take hits.
You have some other things in strats that i can comment on but would be a wall of text from me ^^.
The full vita build is a good alternative but i feel the learning curve is better with a dex/vita or glass build. Depending on play styles, players can be just as effective with all builds but a glass ama will find it easy to play a vita ama while a vita ama won't even know where to start to play a glass one smile.gif
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Feb 29 2008 10:15am
I vote sticky on this one

10/10

i have tried this build before and i didnt like it. but i see where i went wrong with the fhr and i went bow charms for damage instead of doing the smart thing of resist. might have to make again useing this guide bier.gif

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Feb 29 2008 10:18am
Quote (Shadow_lad @ Fri, Feb 29 2008, 11:10am)
nice aproach; i have to comment on the strategy vs bow amas though : glass cannons will have more frw than you and they can use those javelins skills you laugh at to hit you => knockback(and slow) while they run(or if you have slower reaction times they namelock you first , knock you out of screen with javelin thus removing your ability to namelock and then chain GA at you).Once out of your screen they can fire arrows at you and then repeat the process if you get close. Against pros you're better off trying to snipe them and count on your high life to take hits.
You have some other things in strats that i can comment on but would be a wall of text from me ^^. 
The full vita build is a good alternative but i feel the learning curve is better with a dex/vita or glass build.  Depending on play styles, players can be just as  effective with all builds but a glass ama will find it easy to play a vita ama while a vita ama won't even know where to start to play a glass one smile.gif

First I would like to thank you for your comments.

However, keep in mind that this is a ZvA build. She is capable of fighting Glass Cannons but she is not specifically designed for ZvZ dueling like the Glass Cannon bow zons are. Meaning some small sacrifices are made to be capable of dueling ALL character classes. For example she has lower max dmg in order to make sure she has maxed resistance, life and dr. All things that a class cannon does not have...some of which they don’t even need vs other amazons like resistance.

As far as the learning curve goes I would have to say it’s the other way around. A Vitality Bow Zon gives you more room for error. You can make a wrong turn or a bad shot because you can easily take 5-6 arrows hits or a other forms of attacks, such as elemental dmg. This not true with a Glass Cannon where if you make one wrong decision during a duel you are dead. It requires you to have massive frw, a high speed connection (no lag) and super fast reflexes to be able to out maneuver and dodge all incoming attacks while somehow attempting to return fire.

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Quote (Spartikis @ Fri, Feb 29 2008, 03:31pm)
Weird, I must have deleted it by accident when i was adding the bold titles or something

Yeah it takes awhile to read. I could make it shorter but then it would be like every other cookie cutter guide that just tells you to use certain items and skills and never explains WHY!
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Helm – Crown of Ages
25+ res, 15% dr and 2 sockets are a must here. Socket this with 2x 40/15 or other ias jewels


it is but just under the armor and without bold
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Feb 29 2008 10:23am
Quote (7455 @ Fri, Feb 29 2008, 11:20am)
it is but just under the armor and without bold


wow good eyes A+ for your proof reading skills smile.gif
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Feb 29 2008 10:25am
Quote (Spartikis @ Fri, Feb 29 2008, 06:18pm)
First keep in mind that this is a ZvA build. She is capable of fighting Glass Cannons but she is not specifically designed for ZvZ. Meaning some small sacrifices are made to be capable of dueling ALL character classes. For example she a lower max dmg in order to make sure she has maxed resistance, life and dr. All things that a class cannon does not have...some of which they don’t even need vs other amazons like resistance.

As far as the learning curve goes I would have to say it’s the other way around. A Vitality Bow Zon gives you more room for error. You can make a wrong turn or a bad shot because you can easily take 5-6 arrows hits. This not true with a Glass Cannon. One wrong decision during a duel and you’re dead. It requires you to have massive frw, a high speed connection (no lag) and super fast reflexes to be able to out maneuver and dodge all incoming attacks while somehow attempting to return fire.


I commented on the ZvZ because you mentioned the word "laugh" with a simplistic (almost guaranteed to win) aproach from the way you worded it.

As for the learning curve you just contradicted yourself. That's exactly why the non vita builds learn and get more experienced much faster: they have to adapt and develop reflexes and counter the enemy with strategy,huge mobility as opposed to your life and DR.

Good guide as a i said , sticky worthy.
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Feb 29 2008 10:26am
You will never beat these characters if they have block:

Necromancer,
Druid,
Trapper (Even with c/c.)

Don't call them easy, because they're not.

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