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Sep 25 2025 06:27am
reason?


Ever seen someone say something like
“Hey look at this 105fcr barb build”
Then showing a 10fcr setup with 2x wiz on swap?

That’s just the 101 basics of how everyone talks about D2.
You’ll need to constantly explain yourself if you don’t talk the same language everyone is talking lol
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Sep 25 2025 06:42am
Ever seen someone say something like
“Hey look at this 105fcr barb build”
Then showing a 10fcr setup with 2x wiz on swap?

That’s just the 101 basics of how everyone talks about D2.
You’ll need to constantly explain yourself if you don’t talk the same language everyone is talking lol


i don't see the problem with the 105 fcr barb build as long as it is explained which i did. but okay, your jsp, your rules, dear mr. sir!

i am just wondering... what does this have to do with the topic?
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Sep 25 2025 06:53am
i am just wondering... what does this have to do with the topic?


well the topic asks for "ultimate pvm lightning fury zon"

you provided him with a dogshit pvm lightning fury zon. pointing that out is relevant innit
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Sep 25 2025 06:59am
well the topic asks for "ultimate pvm lightning fury zon"

you provided him with a dogshit pvm lightning fury zon. pointing that out is relevant innit


aha... how do you know it's dogshit? enlighten me pls
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aha... how do you know it's dogshit? enlighten me pls


It ain’t “dogshit”…
But it’s a horrible cost-to-efficiency ratio compared to the standard build.
And the few god tier javazon players that I know all share the same opinion as me :
99/55 is better than 68/95 (the setup you described as 99/95).
But still, it’s kinda crazy to invest 500k fgs to get some ~0.5-1% faster runs with lesser QoL in the end.
Less QoL means you’ll most likely get tired of playing faster, which defeats the whole purpose of this massive investment.
Constantly weapon swaping to tele 1 frame faster is most likely gonna waste more time than not swaping at all anyway.
It’s just another big QoL loss on top of all other details.
And humans ain’t perfect… pressing W too early during an animation and then realizing that you started teleing on 68fcr side will make you lose more time than the few 1 frames instances you would have saved if it worked flawlessly everytime.
And you would need to play it for a very long time just to recover the time lost to assemble a very expensive setup with 3 pairs of gfg rare javs. Not something feasible to achieve during 24/7 gaming for a full season. So this falls for a category of players on NL highly addicted to javazon.

So let’s not fight for no reason…
We all agree on the same thing…
68/55 is the way to go, unless you don’t mind spending colossal amounts of fgs to get a char that will eventually recover the time loss after countless hours of gaming.
Other setups show better results on paper, but not really in practice.

That said…
My recommendation to you pobo2 is simply to stop talking about your 68/95 setup as if it was 99/95.
You’ll avoid a lot of confusion if you talk the same language as everyone. I saw your few past debates with other players and it felt like the whole fight was always based on this different way of calling things.
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Sep 25 2025 10:14am
It ain’t “dogshit”…
But it’s a horrible cost-to-efficiency ratio compared to the standard build.
And the few god tier javazon players that I know all share the same opinion as me :
99/55 is better than 68/95 (the setup you described as 99/95).
But still, it’s kinda crazy to invest 500k fgs to get some ~0.5-1% faster runs with lesser QoL in the end.
Less QoL means you’ll most likely get tired of playing faster, which defeats the whole purpose of this massive investment.
Constantly weapon swaping to tele 1 frame faster is most likely gonna waste more time than not swaping at all anyway.
It’s just another big QoL loss on top of all other details.
And humans ain’t perfect… pressing W too early during an animation and then realizing that you started teleing on 68fcr side will make you lose more time than the few 1 frames instances you would have saved if it worked flawlessly everytime.
And you would need to play it for a very long time just to recover the time lost to assemble a very expensive setup with 3 pairs of gfg rare javs. Not something feasible to achieve during 24/7 gaming for a full season. So this falls for a category of players on NL highly addicted to javazon.

So let’s not fight for no reason…
We all agree on the same thing…
68/55 is the way to go, unless you don’t mind spending colossal amounts of fgs to get a char that will eventually recover the time loss after countless hours of gaming.
Other setups show better results on paper, but not really in practice.

That said…
My recommendation to you pobo2 is simply to stop talking about your 68/95 setup as if it was 99/95.
You’ll avoid a lot of confusion if you talk the same language as everyone. I saw your few past debates with other players and it felt like the whole fight was always based on this different way of calling things.


this is why i rly like most your posts, dear sins :hug:
you don't give useless dogshit answers like that dolphy and some of the other braindead 24/7 JSPers.

and yes... i think we agree on most things like horrible cost-efficienca-ratio --> i wrote that in all my posts
i also always wrote that you tele on switch but people here are apparently too lazy to read and rather post constantly stuff like "tl;dr" like our beloved dolphy.

i will consider your recommendation and try to use a different wording but i will also keep posting my setup when people ask for BiS java because for the sake of completeness...

i tested all the different ias/fcr setups for quite some time with hero editor and once you get used to press w at the right moment (i completely agree with you that it's less QoL and that it needs a bit of practice), that setup was the fastest.
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Sep 25 2025 10:15am
this is why i rly like most your posts, dear sins :hug:
you don't give useless dogshit answers like that dolphy and some of the other braindead 24/7 JSPers.

and yes... i think we agree on most things like horrible cost-efficienca-ratio --> i wrote that in all my posts
i also always wrote that you tele on switch but people here are apparently too lazy to read and rather post constantly stuff like "tl;dr" like our beloved dolphy.

i will consider your recommendation and try to use a different wording but i will also keep posting my setup when people ask for BiS java because for the sake of completeness...

i tested all the different ias/fcr setups for quite some time with hero editor and once you get used to press w at the right moment (i completely agree with you that it's less QoL and that it needs a bit of practice), that setup was the fastest.


tldr daddy big brains thinks he's saving time by switching to his off-hand whenever he's teleporting
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Sep 25 2025 10:26am
tldr daddy big brains thinks he's saving time by switching to his off-hand whenever he's teleporting


Remember, switching to your second weapon swap is faster than reloading
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Sep 25 2025 10:36am
tldr daddy big brains thinks he's saving time by switching to his off-hand whenever he's teleporting


not whenever but for most long distance teleports. i don't expect you to belive me. i know what i tested and what was the fastest. i am fine with that. no need your recognition. it's just funny how you and dutdut and probably most of the other 24/7 JSPers often talk about stuff they haven't tested.
you will never see a post from me about stuff i haven't played myself for qute a bit.

but hey, my dear dolphy, this leads to nothing. so i do us a favor and i would appreciate if you return that favor: i just completely stop answering/quoting you. just better for the well-being of our beloved JSP community.
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Sep 25 2025 10:39am
this is why i rly like most your posts, dear sins :hug:
you don't give useless dogshit answers like that dolphy and some of the other braindead 24/7 JSPers.

and yes... i think we agree on most things like horrible cost-efficienca-ratio --> i wrote that in all my posts
i also always wrote that you tele on switch but people here are apparently too lazy to read and rather post constantly stuff like "tl;dr" like our beloved dolphy.

i will consider your recommendation and try to use a different wording but i will also keep posting my setup when people ask for BiS java because for the sake of completeness...

i tested all the different ias/fcr setups for quite some time with hero editor and once you get used to press w at the right moment (i completely agree with you that it's less QoL and that it needs a bit of practice), that setup was the fastest.


If you havn't yet, try the 99/60ias setup
no swap required
always 99fcr
same action frame for throw at 60ias and 95ias, allowing you to throw+tele+throw at the same speed as a real 99/95 setup without razor
higher dmg per hit than at 95ias due to more +skills
so it's basically more of everything, including QoL, for a fraction of the price.

Here's an exemple, including some near impossible rares just to list what would be some of the best affixes to look for
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/3wbyz0cn

And if you have 2 pairs of 4/40 with increase stack size + rep 1 per 10s, it can be enough to have your 2nd pair on swap (if you play SC or have a BO barb) so you save time instead of cube swapping.
I played java for years without BO and I can't remember dying, that gurl is so tanky with her passives and barely ever allow mobs to retaliate.
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