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Aug 2 2025 08:12am
guys, thx indeed i agree 10 is lower than 14. Thanks.

Alright, so let make it simple

i use a grief on pb : average damage = 430, +1000% (berserk) +200% might aura (merc)

now, according to my calculation, you are both wrong :

with +10 max (ie +5 damage average) the calculation is the following :

435 x 1000% x 200% = 5220 dmg

with +barb combat, the calculation is the following :

430 x 1000% x 200% x15% = 5,285.25

am i wrong? do i miss something?


you're forgetting to add the ed from lvl 20 conc aura from pride merc, 350 ed from loh gloves, any +skills merc may have on (+4 from coh and andy gives +4 to might) and forgeting to use multiple charms since the maxers scale better. I ran the numbers on maxroll and 10 maxers give higher dps than masteries. If you add a phoenix shield on there the difference becomes even greater. If you use 14 maxers the difference is even more.

That was assuming only using 7 grand charms as well since most will leave space for drops. the difference gets greater with 9 GCs

This post was edited by Void511 on Aug 2 2025 08:17am
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i dont get your point but.. i see an error : 350 x 1000% is 3500 dmg mate


Correct, my mistake, damn jsp and are you human blah come out when I typed up the whole thing.

1000 min / 1500 max (wpn dmg example includes Berserk)
3500 min / 3500 max (1000% x 350 Added damage from grief)
4500 min / 5000 max total

1000 min / 1600 max (wpn dmg including Berserk & +10 max dmg GC)
3500 min / 3500 max (1000% x 350 Added damage from grief)
4500 min / 5100 max total

1150 min / 1725 max (wpn dmg including Berserk & Combat Skill Charm)
4025 min / 4025 max (1015% x 350 Added damage from grief including Combat Skill Charm)
5175 min / 5750 max total.

This is taking in all additional increases from everything for the Berserk Skill and the Weapons base damage to make it simple Simon.

EDIT: Void did point out the other factors of Pride or Might or Fana Aura, however, all those additional % enhanced damage, also applies to Griefs ADDED damage. Thus, the Skiller is better.

EDIT2: Oh, maybe I should have said it a bit easier:

What has more damage:
350 minimum & maximum damage multiplied by 15%
or
+10 maximum damage



This post was edited by izParagonzi on Aug 2 2025 09:05am
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you're forgetting to add the ed from lvl 20 conc aura from pride merc, 350 ed from loh gloves, any +skills merc may have on (+4 from coh and andy gives +4 to might) and forgeting to use multiple charms since the maxers scale better. I ran the numbers on maxroll and 10 maxers give higher dps than masteries. If you add a phoenix shield on there the difference becomes even greater. If you use 14 maxers the difference is even more.

That was assuming only using 7 grand charms as well since most will leave space for drops. the difference gets greater with 9 GCs


Correct, my mistake, damn jsp and are you human blah come out when I typed up the whole thing.

1000 min / 1500 max (wpn dmg example includes Berserk)
3500 min / 3500 max (1000% x 350 Added damage from grief)
4500 min / 5000 max total

1000 min / 1600 max (wpn dmg including Berserk & +10 max dmg GC)
3500 min / 3500 max (1000% x 350 Added damage from grief)
4500 min / 5100 max total

1150 min / 1725 max (wpn dmg including Berserk & Combat Skill Charm)
4025 min / 4025 max (1015% x 350 Added damage from grief including Combat Skill Charm)
5175 min / 5750 max total.

This is taking in all additional increases from everything for the Berserk Skill and the Weapons base damage to make it simple Simon.

EDIT: Void did point out the other factors of Pride or Might or Fana Aura, however, all those additional % enhanced damage, also applies to Griefs ADDED damage. Thus, the Skiller is better.


Here, just did the graph,
Barb combat skill add more damage..
10max is better for PVP cuz of the AR, but not for PVM
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Here, just did the graph,
Barb combat skill add more damage..
10max is better for PVP cuz of the AR, but not for PVM
https://i.imgur.com/aIA7vTb.png


Great, I thought the discussion excluded PvP from your initial post.

This is my old Berserk % ed and ar;

Attack Rating: 610 Percent
Magic Damage: 1060 Percent (Synergies Maxed)

This is LoD 2008 Repost of guide, and the barb wasn't completed.

BUT... now you know.... the Skill GC is better, even better than a +14 Max GC.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Aug 2 2025 09:16am
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Also forgot blade mastery and the Ed from strength. Go run it on maxroll if you want to see.

This post was edited by Void511 on Aug 2 2025 09:43am
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Also forgot blade mastery. Go run it on maxroll if you want to see.


its a percentage.. wont reverse the slope
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its a percentage.. wont reverse the slope

ok use less dmg that’s fine with me
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