Quote (Tarisus @ Jul 3 2024 07:36pm)

You mean if they both hit max fpa ? Yes they both can

Quote (Titus1986 @ Jul 3 2024 08:34pm)

iirc you can use ettin axe for a bit of extra damage and still reach max fpa with nosferatu instead of SoE (pvm ofc)

Quote (Tarisus @ 2 Jul 2024 21:59)

Death BA:

355 avg damage
60 avg damage charms
20 avg damage wts
(355+60+20)*2*22=19140

Grief PB
(437.5+60)*1.87*21=19536

The difference between the 2 is about 2.07% which cannot compete with 35% CB.

BA also has 1 range over PB so indirectly, you’ll be swinging a lot more than PB. A good way to test range is start a Paladin and use Spear vs Dagger and see that short range weapon, you’ll be running towards your target and restarting the Zeal sequence over and over. So the main down time is running towards enemies.

Here’s another problem with restarting Zeal, the attack itself always swings at 4/4/4/4/8 BUT if you were to kill a target and nothing is in range, then your Zeal becomes 4/8 or 4/4/8 or 4/4/4/8. Slowing down your attack speed by restarting too much.

Lastly, Vegeance is useful against Physical immunes since having Sunder decreases survival and % PDR is harder to come by and will likely sacrifice damage for it. The +400 on Grief does not work with Vegeance at all but Death 355 damage does work.

PS. Because of native high Dex cost of PB, BA builds will always have at least 100% ED over PB, this includes the 7% mana leech factor.

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=72114346&f=87&o=0

Here’s also a thread where the most knowledgeable GM duelers post saying Death over Grief.

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=32187727

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=72400161&f=87

Here are their guides.

Quote (ThePride @ Jul 6 2024 04:01pm)

does the poison from venom and -% to poison res will add something at grief side ?