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Sep 12 2023 04:27pm
Quote (camopk @ Sep 12 2023 06:08pm)
lawl ok yea i forgot the helm

ormus is trash
it gives a negligible dmg increase compared to viper at the cost of es, mana, mdr


All of which doesnt matter if you dont suck. clearspeed > all in pvm

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All of which doesnt matter if you dont suck. clearspeed > all in pvm


ormus doesnt increase clear speed
it just makes you look like a newb
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Sep 12 2023 07:04pm
Quote (camopk @ Sep 12 2023 08:28pm)
ormus doesnt increase clear speed
it just makes you look like a newb

:bonk: I could show you the dps comparison but you're not worth the time since you're either trolling or just plain dumb af

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:bonk: I could show you the dps comparison but you're not worth the time since you're either trolling or just plain dumb af


it makes less of a difference than using a -55 infinity instead of a -54
aka its pointless compared to what viper/enig offers
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Sep 13 2023 12:06am
Quote (camopk @ Sep 13 2023 04:27am)
it makes less of a difference than using a -55 infinity instead of a -54
aka its pointless compared to what viper/enig offers


ormus gives more dmg than viper (obviously)

only advantage of viper over ormus is mdr, which is a nice defensive mod to have, but not necessary if the build is played well (remember, post is about pvm). res on viper is pointless for high ES builds like nova sorc

enigma... not sure why you bring that up
2 skills: sounds nice at first, but no fcr means you need to sacrifice both ring slots. this means no sojs, -2 skills there and big loss of mana (i.e. survivability)
45frw: nice to have, but not essential. especially when teleporting at 8 frames
strength bonus: gives +1 BO (offhand spirit monarch instead of splendor), but that is not a lot, considering your mana is already increased by around 120% (2x SoJ and BO around lvl 14). another 3% from the additional skill lvl on BO is not a significant benefit
5% life from Jah: great asset for all chars based on life. unfortunately nova sorcs have low base life (and decent BO level), so 5% is not that useful
8dr from Ber: in itself very cool, but dr is a form of residt and therefor pointless for high ES builds
14 laek: imo the only thing that makes enigma even considerable as a defensive build option, since this gives extreme sustain to the build
15 dgtm: works horribly with ES
mf: nice to have if you run for loot instead of exp, but could also be aquired via charms
furthermore, enigma has no free sockets, so you lose out on a facet (and nova sorc is built around high -lr)
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Quote (PiXi31415 @ Sep 13 2023 08:06am)
ormus gives more dmg than viper (obviously)

only advantage of viper over ormus is mdr, which is a nice defensive mod to have, but not necessary if the build is played well (remember, post is about pvm). res on viper is pointless for high ES builds like nova sorc

enigma... not sure why you bring that up
2 skills: sounds nice at first, but no fcr means you need to sacrifice both ring slots. this means no sojs, -2 skills there and big loss of mana (i.e. survivability)
45frw: nice to have, but not essential. especially when teleporting at 8 frames
strength bonus: gives +1 BO (offhand spirit monarch instead of splendor), but that is not a lot, considering your mana is already increased by around 120% (2x SoJ and BO around lvl 14). another 3% from the additional skill lvl on BO is not a significant benefit
5% life from Jah: great asset for all chars based on life. unfortunately nova sorcs have low base life (and decent BO level), so 5% is not that useful
8dr from Ber: in itself very cool, but dr is a form of residt and therefor pointless for high ES builds
14 laek: imo the only thing that makes enigma even considerable as a defensive build option, since this gives extreme sustain to the build
15 dgtm: works horribly with ES
mf: nice to have if you run for loot instead of exp, but could also be aquired via charms
furthermore, enigma has no free sockets, so you lose out on a facet (and nova sorc is built around high -lr)


ormus comes at the cost of either a soj or a 2/20 over a 3/10, so all you get is +1 nova while losing mass mana, +2 es, +2 warmth, +1 lm, mdr and so on and so forth. the MINISCULE damage increase from ormus won't be noticeable in your clear speed while the massive qol boost from viper absolutely will.

easy way to spot an inexperienced nova sorc: they completely ignore the fact that you won't reach 95 es without proper gear OR a stacked inv, which you definitely won't want to have on an mf sorc.

eni isn't a great option on a nova sorc but it's got a lot more upsides than ormus does. ormus is just a strictly worse viper while eni provides a lot in other areas, such as frw and mf which matters a lot more than you seem to think on a pvm sorc.

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ormus comes at the cost of either a soj or a 2/20 over a 3/10, so all you get is +1 nova while losing mass mana, +2 es, +2 warmth, +1 lm, mdr and so on and so forth. the MINISCULE damage increase from ormus won't be noticeable in your clear speed while the massive qol boost from viper absolutely will.

easy way to spot an inexperienced nova sorc: they completely ignore the fact that you won't reach 95 es without proper gear OR a stacked inv, which you definitely won't want to have on an mf sorc.

eni isn't a great option on a nova sorc but it's got a lot more upsides than ormus does. ormus is just a strictly worse viper while eni provides a lot in other areas, such as frw and mf which matters a lot more than you seem to think on a pvm sorc.


you can reach lvl40 ES with 4x2 slots for item pick ups (and some 1x1 for runes/jewelry), ormus+2/20 gives more dmg and more mana than viper+3/10. ormus means you have less mana reg, but that is what your insight merc is for. additionally, using a crafted 2/20 allows for 2 more affixes on the amu (str, pr, plr, mf, mana, ...). granted, viper offers 13 mdr which is huge for ES pvm, but offense is the best defense :D
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Sep 14 2023 03:17am
Quote (Dolphy @ Sep 14 2023 03:48am)
ormus comes at the cost of either a soj or a 2/20 over a 3/10, so all you get is +1 nova while losing mass mana, +2 es, +2 warmth, +1 lm, mdr and so on and so forth. the MINISCULE damage increase from ormus won't be noticeable in your clear speed while the massive qol boost from viper absolutely will.

easy way to spot an inexperienced nova sorc: they completely ignore the fact that you won't reach 95 es without proper gear OR a stacked inv, which you definitely won't want to have on an mf sorc.

eni isn't a great option on a nova sorc but it's got a lot more upsides than ormus does. ormus is just a strictly worse viper while eni provides a lot in other areas, such as frw and mf which matters a lot more than you seem to think on a pvm sorc.

You don’t lose any mana, you can actually have more if you care to by having a 2/20 amulet. Qol doesn’t change unles your positioning sucks. Idc about mf since I don’t even look at drops. The difference is minimal either way but ormus looks a lot better than viper and I’ll choose clear speed over survivability any day no matter how minimal or insignia by since survivability is pretty pointless when you never get near death anyways
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Sep 18 2023 05:30am
Quote (Void511 @ Sep 14 2023 11:17am)
You don’t lose any mana, you can actually have more if you care to by having a 2/20 amulet. Qol doesn’t change unles your positioning sucks. Idc about mf since I don’t even look at drops. The difference is minimal either way but ormus looks a lot better than viper and I’ll choose clear speed over survivability any day no matter how minimal or insignia by since survivability is pretty pointless when you never get near death anyways


defensive positioning means you're clearing slower than you would by tele stomping packs and moving on. clear speed > all, right?

and no, you'll definitely take damage when you're killing venom lord packs, for an example.
Quote (PiXi31415 @ Sep 14 2023 11:14am)
you can reach lvl40 ES with 4x2 slots for item pick ups (and some 1x1 for runes/jewelry), ormus+2/20 gives more dmg and more mana than viper+3/10. ormus means you have less mana reg, but that is what your insight merc is for. additionally, using a crafted 2/20 allows for 2 more affixes on the amu (str, pr, plr, mf, mana, ...). granted, viper offers 13 mdr which is huge for ES pvm, but offense is the best defense :D


4x2 means you'll waste time id'ing things one at a time unless you're only picking up shakos and such, which woulnd't make any sense. so again, less clear speed.

and I already demonstrated that ormus doesn't give you a noticeable damage boost
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