I gave you reasons but if you want to be ignorant I’m not going to work too hard to try to make you better. Keep using your subpar setup dude

Since you can’t add I’ll do it for you though

35+25+20+ 20(rings)= 100

This post was edited by Void511 on Aug 17 2023 04:44am

I have to side with Dolphy on the topic of Razortail for Java.

Have a look at some old good threads, most people argue in favour of Razortail.

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=56504838&f=161
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=82508165&f=87&o=0

20 rings?

where's your cbf?

no clue why you'd give up massive raw damage from razortail + either an ias frame or massive damage + an rbf to reach 99 fcr when you could just reach 99 fcr the way the rest of us are doing.

Cham griffs, you can hit faster frame if you use tstrokes without the jewel

In super high density areas sure but in those areas you’re going to excel anyways. I’d rather the consistent mobility increase. Java isn’t lacking dmg on any setup but they have bad fcr frames. I’d rather cover their weakness a bit than overkill on dmg for the same reason you go 102 fcr on mosaic sin - because they already have enough dmg and mobility is the bottleneck

I've seen that argument about "high density areas" before.

A counter-argument from me would be: you shouldn't farm low density areas anyway.

This post was edited by Ashirgo on Aug 17 2023 06:44am

That’s true but I’m mostly saying that if you’re doing high density areas then dmg isn’t an issue. In either case I don’t think it’s going to matter a lot. I prefer the snappy feel of 99 fcr and if there’s anyone else contesting me for the TZ it let’s me more easily get ahead of them and hit boss packs faster for the bonus on kill exp.

youre contrarian and rude, there is no reason to be such a way other than being satisfied with upsetting people, which you will not get from me.

razor is just bad, I have massive pierce % from 1 hardpoint investment.

My javazon is not ridiculously suboptimal, thats objectively incorrect, its just not built the way you prefer, which means for your opinion and playstyle, just not for you. Thats fine, but it is your opinion

Your opinion doesnt change the fact my javazon kills d clone 10 seconds from load time, or that it clears p8 chaos or cows in just minutes.

I dont need mass fcr on my java, Im not rushing people or running countess on her. Shes not good for mfing or routing through long winding maps, she is good for bossing and high density areas, and I geared her towards excelling in only those spot.

When I want to MF I play my hammer. When I want fast tele I play my sorc, when I want to have a fair blend of both I play my necro.

When I want to have fun and flex massive damage and 3 hit bosses on players 8 and clear screens so fast people are left wondering wtf just happened, I play my zon.

Its okay to have differing opinions, you can have a civil discourse without being nasty. You are immature, if you would like to have an actual conversation that doesnt include insults or garbage lmk.

so your awfully built pvm zon is a worse mfer than necros and hammerdins? I didn't think your zon was that bad but I guess it makes sense.

I've been informative and on the point in my comments here, you've just decided not to listen to it because in the process of showing you the ideal zon build[ s ] (along with reasonable explanations regarding itemization), I've also criticized your build.

again, you're free to play your zon however you want but since you opened a discussion thread asking for advice I chose to share my expertise. you can take it or leave it, big boy

This post was edited by Dolphy on Aug 17 2023 07:59am

Excellent thread