supriiiiise mfkers!! I'm a Sorc

Barb for pvm should only be using guillames.

For pvm, anytime you use coa, shako is always better

u are repeating
so am I
I disagree!

If you PvM and use a Sorc and MF ... then just add an Ist rune.

Change your playstyle in certain areas (Nihlathok) to finding out if there are Vipers or not... only 3 monster types will appear in that area... so if there are vipers... don't tele into them and get insta trashed, just exit. Simple.



Depends on Barb build ... why use Guillames on a Goldfind barb? (yup fucking useless aye), oh... why use a Guillames on a Telezerk Barb when you have the same FCR as a Sorc and maybe use Shako or Arreats for other reasons?

Too many simple builds since 1.09, the introduction of 1.10 runewords and the other junk runewords that only benefited 1 or 2 builds... shit... treachery was a classic example.

Build your build outside of the norm... you may get some fun out of playing... but then I am only talking about D2... not D2r.

Your splitting hairs on a GF barb as obviously they don’t engage and the only thing they need is GF.


But yes a zerk barb should be using a cham’d guiallmes

This post was edited by Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins on Jul 26 2023 06:29am

Comes down to soft core vs hardcore. Dmg and clearspeed is king on soft core but survivability is much more important in hardcore so coa would be a viable option in some setups depending on if you’re using ss

It does not.

Hardcore and softcore monsters are the same.

If you die in pvm with a fully geared character, the issue is you, not if you turtled up or not

Freak mobs happen, dr can be the difference of being 1 tapped. Having some safety can improve clearspeed if you don’t have to be quite as cautious as well

Lag is also a thing

This post was edited by Void511 on Jul 26 2023 09:15am

Shako has dr
Enigma has dr

Shako has much more life and much lower Str requirement.

Meaning you will get substantionally more life.

Also has 1 more BO, so that’s an additional 3% life.

Shako has MF

Shako has mana

Shako has 1 extra skill, meaning more damage. Dead monsters deal 0 damage.

Shako is significantly better than coa for pvm. It’s not even close.

This post was edited by Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins on Jul 26 2023 09:27am

Depends on how much risk you wanna run. The only thing that can get you in pvm is freak combo mobs with cursed, aura, extra strong /fast so dr is the main shield vs that along with mb. If you go mb then sure probably worth going less dr but if you don’t have block then you’ll want dr most likely. Depends on the risk you’re willing to run.

Pointless argument anyways since what’s best depends on what you’re trying to do. If you want to clear fast and mf go shako but if you’re trying to not die coa will be better than shako purely for survivability. Also will depend on the skill level of the player ofc how much risk you can run.

Also on d2r at least shit can kill you while you load at wp so you might want some extra buffer for that. Dr and res from coa will always outperform shako in terms of tankiness.