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Jul 4 2023 12:29pm
Quote (gel87 @ Jul 4 2023 05:22pm)
Did any1 do the math after d2r buffed bow skills? I would assume thats the reason, buffed skills now add so much % with the new syntenergies that the max jewels adds more.

Anyway, its simple math to find.

(Min+max)/2 * (1+((skillEd%+statbonus%+aura%)/100))

Thats the average damage.
On ga i would assume even bigger damage difference between the 2.
Dex ammount May matter as well. And ofc bow base.


It was that way before D2R and is the same now, 15/15 for faith 40/15 for windforce.
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Jul 5 2023 02:35am
Quote (Titus1986 @ Jul 4 2023 08:29pm)
It was that way before D2R and is the same now, 15/15 for faith 40/15 for windforce.


15/15 was not best in d2lod.
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Jul 5 2023 03:00am
Quote (gel87 @ Jul 5 2023 10:35am)
15/15 was not best in d2lod.


PvM? yes it was, by a fair amount of average damage in any faith build, specially shadow/diamond that were/still are the best for PvM,

Even random 10max/15ias jewels were already more damage than perfects 40/15 and you could get those pretty much for free.
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Jul 5 2023 04:40am
Quote (Titus1986 @ Jul 5 2023 11:00am)
PvM? yes it was, by a fair amount of average damage in any faith build, specially shadow/diamond that were/still are the best for PvM,

Even random 10max/15ias jewels were already more damage than perfects 40/15 and you could get those pretty much for free.


On EU we had bugbelts.

So we used gmb. We also used foi gmb for walking hybrids. However we used mb for 3hybrids. Or at least i did.
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Jul 6 2023 02:06am
Quote (gel87 @ Jul 5 2023 12:40pm)
On EU we had bugbelts.

So we used gmb. We also used foi gmb for walking hybrids. However we used mb for 3hybrids. Or at least i did.


Well you are talking PvP there, not PvM, you are not going to use hybrids or bugbelts for PvM (unless you have it from your pvp and want to do some pvm for fun) and they are not even available on most ladders.

So, PvP sure, maybe 40/15 were better? I don't really know, but PvM 15/15 were better back in LoD too.
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Jul 6 2023 06:52am
15/15 jewels were only better if you had a Pride/Might mercenary providing you with hundreds of ED% from auras.

40/15 for pvp, 15/15 for pvm w/A2 merc.
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Jul 6 2023 08:44pm
Quote (kenshin322 @ Jul 3 2023 02:15pm)
tried with both a diamond and gmb faith and in both cases 45max is just high avg damage :wacko:


Hmm...can i ask what charms and item setup u using?
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Jul 6 2023 10:17pm
Quote (Kagetsu @ Jul 6 2023 09:44pm)
Hmm...can i ask what charms and item setup u using?


typical bowazon setup.
fort, faith, act2 might merc with pride and some max charms.

tried the wf act1 faith merc setup too. 120/45 barely out-damaged 45/45

guess 120/45 is just not for zon since it's supposedly common knowledge 15/15 is better. :bonk:

but back in the days on uswest, no one had a 30frw/3os to try the 45/45, I was probably one of the few with a 30frw/120/45 and a inventory of 3/20/20 and 5frw/3/20 that wasn't on jsp and I only joined the site after i didn't perm in a game after nothing happening to my stuff for who knows how many years and it just all poofed :wallbash:

literally could not find a single person anywhere else had had a 30frw 3os tiara and it took until 2023 for me to finally get another 30frw/3os tiara. :rofl:
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Quote (kenshin322 @ Jul 7 2023 12:17pm)
typical bowazon setup.
fort, faith, act2 might merc with pride and some max charms.

tried the wf act1 faith merc setup too. 120/45 barely out-damaged 45/45

guess 120/45 is just not for zon since it's supposedly common knowledge 15/15 is better. :bonk:

but back in the days on uswest, no one had a 30frw/3os to try the 45/45, I was probably one of the few with a 30frw/120/45 and a inventory of 3/20/20 and 5frw/3/20 that wasn't on jsp and I only joined the site after i didn't perm in a game after nothing happening to my stuff for who knows how many years and it just all poofed :wallbash:

literally could not find a single person anywhere else had had a 30frw 3os tiara and it took until 2023 for me to finally get another 30frw/3os tiara. :rofl:


Ahhh yes, that makes sense, if you are using might + pride merc, those add significant amount of ed% and thus defiantely 45max would be more valuable as it is further boosted by those 2auras.
If purely looking at just the character itself with the usual 3max/xx/xx charms, 120ed would definitely be more damage.
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Jul 7 2023 04:52pm
still 15/15
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