phoenix or spirit?
I've been using both, and tbh it feels I'm clearing faster with phoenix, but internet says spirit is better.

Can someone explain which and why is better?

Finally someone that does real testing for a change.

I recommend you do 10 runs with each, clock them, and post the median times for each 10 runs. And don't rush or stress, play normally. It's going to be interesting to see.

There both good in their own way most will say spirit and will help with tele fcr some with say Phoenix no need to worry about mana

Why not tele cta side and have phoenix on main?

Good idea, I will make dia/baal runs, collect data and share it here.





Spirit for tele - true. But I'm using CoH. Nevertheless websites builds mostly suggested spirit even in no-eni scenario, and seeing that I was like curious is it really better.

Will make tests now.

coh/10

phoenix:
more jab damage vs immunes
no mana issues
fire heals you
souls will eat you alive

spirit:
more lightning dmg
fcr

jmod:
bis

So far I've done 8 br runs with phoenix, almost every run got souls and I've never died, few times I had to use full rej potion, but who doesn't? My res are pretty low, but fighting souls is more time consuming (cuz of them teleporting) than risky or deadly.

jmod? I'm pvm...

This post was edited by SimSimSalabim on Jun 18 2022 10:02am

either spirit or 20/20 monarch

As a java main I can give you alot of advice but I need to know what your primarily using your zon for and if your willing to swap gear based on zones farmed or want an overall areas without any swapping.

For example.

Optimum chaos clear speed build for a 2min chaos. (2mins because that's generally how long a Baal clear takes for minions only)

You want to main a spirit for fcr on tele hand and on swap you have a CTA in a matriarchal spear 3sk. Why? You ask

Because you need to deal with hard light immune modifier which has about a 18% chance on each of the 3 seal uniques.

You get a hard light immune roughly 47% of the time.

Cta ma spear with a good Ed roll can take care of this quickly with a good might Merc. Recommend guilliums IAS jewel fort over Andy's.

So for chaos spirits faster but Pheonix slower and safer.

Cows is a completely different ideal spec same with baal

??? Facts =/ horrible gameplay

Just cos ppl are bad at the game and a certain playstyle makes ur runs faster doesn’t mean it’s better once you actually git gud.

There’s a reason people post facts about builds