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May 17 2024 04:53am
gambling guide....

hi i want to talk about gambling try and stick with me if i start to rant id like to be clear and hopefully everyone understands what i am talking about or trying to say.

first off i wanna start this gambling guide off with this is a theory and i do not even know everything about it right so there is alot of assumptions in this guide and dont take it too much to heart but yah

gambling has alot of known myths im sure you have all heard over the year but at the end of the day

" nothing maters but the characters level " right? nothing else maters? so there is NOTHING you can do to help yourself get more rares?
or better ones? that is what is said... but i disagree i do think that there is stuff you can do to help you get more and better rares.

before i go into it i want to tell you from my experiance why i think this well after many years of playing diablo 2 i ended up buying
alot of in-game gold over time in very large amounts, ok and sometimes i noticed that when gambling sometimes i could drop 100million gold, and get 0 to little rares, which just means i was unlucky right? well abit too unlucky... because gambling is suppose to be based
on luck well with an amount of gold such as 100m gold you shouldnt be able to get so unlucky to roll 0 to such little rares so at that point i was convinced there was something else going on... expecially after i could drop 100m in a game get 0 rares and then join another game 15minutes later and pop out multiple rares with 700k gold it just didnt make sense to me

so this is what i think i think the biggest contributing factor to gambling is

#1 the game that you are in, i do not think all games are the same i think each game has its own code/host something right
because of this what i do when i gamble is im attempting to look for what im going to call a " hot game "

in addition if you have a large sample size of gold and your not really getting any rares your rarely ever getting any rares and you continue to just sit and gamble in that game, the MAJORITY not all but the MAJORITY of the time its going to continue to be a bad gambling game.

the same is said the other way, if you are in a game where you start gambling and ur getting decent stuff and rares right away not always... but the MAJORITY of the time its going to continue to give you rares and so on

so what needs to be done once you get a very large sample size of gold what you need to do is actually game hope awhile gambling a small amount of sample size gold such as 5-10-15-20million right in attempt to locate the hot game then once you have found the game thats where you want to dump the hundereds of millions of gold at.

diablo 2 classic vs diablo 2 ressurected, now while these are the same they are not at the same time cause there is a few more variables
that are an unknown in the equation such as
#1 the refresh gamble screen botton
#2 the page itsself not needing to be reopened in order to find the targeted item.
#2part2. what im questioning is if the game is hot, or is the page thats being opened from the gambling screen is hot
#3generally if i am in a bad game, generally refreshing or changing the page does not help
#4 gambling too many items, sometimes you gamble soo many items i forget the message but its like waiting for servers or they need to restock the items as there is none located in the pool anymore. pause, what pool? this is like them to me admiting there is a pool to begin with.
#5 the act that you are in shouldnt make a difference... however im skeptical about this and think that it does make a difference and ill tell you why, well when you load into a game each act has a pool of items theoretically, and different items could have been loaded into different venders, its as simple as that, but does other-actions reset the gambling venders/pool? such as walking in and out of town or
changing acts? its alittle unclear but it is possible but when in doubt i think its best to remember the best option is to look for a new
game

next... this is actually abit shocking to me and sounds like such bs but i swear... check this out so like i feel like there is also a trend in the either prefix's and suffix's and or quality of the ranks of the items that are being spawned if i at all said that correctly

let me give a few examples of this sometimes i will find a hot game that is spawning low teir stuff like im getting rares very often
but instead of it dropping me the higher quality its dropping me the lower quality as if thats what has been loaded into the game
i will use boots as an example here lets say im continuesly getting 10-20 resistance on boots rather then the higher #'s

in addition to that i also think its even the select stats aswell such as sometimes i notice that simular prefix's or suffix's are continuesly spawning right, for example lets say boots again lets say im in a game where not always... but the majority of boots all have
#ED on them

or, for what ever reason some of the prefix's and suffix's seem to have some sort of dominance inside of the pool.

for example if you are gambling looking for +2skills on an amulet lets say you drop 1-2 million gold, now first off after gambling 1-2 million gold if you dont see any rares in those items id look for a new game but thats not what im talking about here first off i would look at all of the prefix's and suffix's that got rolled on the magical amulets aswell, if NONE of these amulets have +2 on them, you could gamble a very large amount of gold and yes while its possible maybe u get a +2 amulet here in there the MAJORITY of amulets will likely NOT have +2skills on them, now lets say you look at the amulets and quite a few of them have +2skills on them, well i bet you could continue to gamble in that game and keep receiving +2 amulets.

this is something to look out for for sure.... im going to pause here and come back later and see what people think with this so far
and see if there is any interest

This post was edited by Jvun7 on May 17 2024 05:08am
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May 17 2024 05:43am
Self-experience is a terrible measure for any theory, mostly because your samplesize is so small that is laughable, and does not matter if you think that you gambled a lot and buy a lot of IGG, compare that to the history of all players gambling in D2/D2R and see if your sample size is good enough.

Plus is not like the formulas for anything related to gambling are a secret, all of them are well known.

ilvl = clvl + rnd[10] - 5 to determine the ilvl

Unique: 1/2000
Set: 1/1000
Rare: 1/10
Magical: 1797/2000

chances for rarity

exceptional = 1 + (ilvl - excep qlvl) * 90 / 100
elite = 1 + (ilvl - elite qlvl) * 33 / 100

to determine the quality

Plus a whole inmense guide to explain the item generation process https://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Item_Generation_Tutorial where you can learn that not all the prefix/suffix have the same frequency, giving you the impression that some have some sort of dominance inside the pool, well because they do.

Anything else is RNG being RNG in a very small sample size making you to belive that there is something else there hidden.
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May 17 2024 05:51am
Quote (Titus1986 @ May 17 2024 06:43am)
Self-experience is a terrible measure for any theory, mostly because your samplesize is so small that is laughable, and does not matter if you think that you gambled a lot and buy a lot of IGG, compare that to the history of all players gambling in D2/D2R and see if your sample size is good enough.

Plus is not like the formulas for anything related to gambling are a secret, all of them are well known.

ilvl = clvl + rnd[10] - 5 to determine the ilvl

Unique: 1/2000
Set: 1/1000
Rare: 1/10
Magical: 1797/2000

chances for rarity

exceptional = 1 + (ilvl - excep qlvl) * 90 / 100
elite = 1 + (ilvl - elite qlvl) * 33 / 100

to determine the quality

Plus a whole inmense guide to explain the item generation process https://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Item_Generation_Tutorial where you can learn that not all the prefix/suffix have the same frequency, giving you the impression that some have some sort of dominance inside the pool, well because they do.

Anything else is RNG being RNG in a very small sample size making you to belive that there is something else there hidden.


yeah i think you are right man but i also think i am also right as there is simply something else going on, you can be in 1 game gamble 5 million on magical amulets and not spawn a +2 and then join a new game gamble 5 million on amulets and there are +2's everywhere

and if you do continue to gamble 25,50 100 million in either of those games you will continue to see the same results, 1 game will be spawning +2 amulets and one wont

This post was edited by Jvun7 on May 17 2024 05:53am
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May 17 2024 05:56am
Ok, gamble 100 trillions in both of those games, not just 100 millions and see if that is still true.

If after 100 trillions with no +2 amus in one game and above average +2 on the other game, yes you are into something, if not, RNG is RNG.
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May 17 2024 06:06am
well what your asking for is not plasuable

but i have gambled 200-300-400-500-600-700 million in a dead game before and seen shit results

i have gambled 500m in a game before where the first 20-30 million was not showing +2 amulets and continued gambling the rest of the 500million and little to 0 +2 amulets fell.

which should simply NOT be possible.

i have gambled 500m in a game before where the first 20-30 million was showing +2 amulets and continued to gamble and the rest of the 500 millions was continuing to often drop +2 amulets.

which is why i am here some people seem to think its all RNG and all luck when the truth of the mater is its more then that and game-related and in some games you can drop a trillion gold and not get a damn rare but you could take that same trillion gold to another game and get thousands of rares.
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May 17 2024 06:31am
Quote (Jvun7 @ May 17 2024 02:06pm)
i have gambled 500m in a game before where the first 20-30 million was not showing +2 amulets and continued gambling the rest of the 500million and little to 0 +2 amulets fell.

which should simply NOT be possible.


You pretty much proved my point, self-experience is terrible, getting litte to 0 +2 amulet gambling 500m is not only possible, it would not even be consider a rare occurrence, and that is exactly why gambling 500m is a very small sample size and you need to gamble trillions, probably you need a global experience for that and the RNG will eventually even out proving that there is nothing else there.

Anyway you can believe whatever you want, placebo effects are powerful if you belive on those, you will be wasting a small time searching for the "perfect" game and be happier with that even if you are being slightly less efficient thanks to wasting time resetting games, so you do you, I'm out :)
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May 17 2024 09:34am
Quote (Titus1986 @ May 17 2024 07:31am)
You pretty much proved my point, self-experience is terrible, getting litte to 0 +2 amulet gambling 500m is not only possible, it would not even be consider a rare occurrence, and that is exactly why gambling 500m is a very small sample size and you need to gamble trillions, probably you need a global experience for that and the RNG will eventually even out proving that there is nothing else there.

Anyway you can believe whatever you want, placebo effects are powerful if you belive on those, you will be wasting a small time searching for the "perfect" game and be happier with that even if you are being slightly less efficient thanks to wasting time resetting games, so you do you, I'm out :)


that is my point exactally its not a rare occurrence so it happens often right? with this method it never happens again.
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May 17 2024 09:55am
True randomness cannot be made.
Ur right, there are selections which stuff rolls from.
What you do, where you move in that game and which seed number the game has affects it.
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May 17 2024 09:58am
Random number generators are only random enough for the use case.

To which importers were able to decode the RNG and load the seeds that gave the desired item stats.

When blizzard charged how d2 lod accounts interact on an account, cd key and IP level in the patch of late 2017, it disrupted the process to which importers were able to mass load to get the seeds they wanted


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May 17 2024 06:01pm
You’d need a few years first to learn how to write in a comprehensive manner.

A few more years to learn the game basics.

A few more years to learn that not everything is a conspiracy theory.

Just check the guide in my sig.
It applies for classic too, and its not based on superstitions.
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