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Nov 16 2023 06:26am
Trying to decide on a setup to kill 40k ar barbs. I'm not talking about the ingame trades only bnet traders w/ standard gear... I'm talking about those that actual real world rmt.. Those that actually bother spending $2000 for a 6 pt circlet and stuff. I'm already using an effective setup, which is the standard pub nuke gear, just looking for something even more effective, something that I can use to outgay the gays. I have an ultra-high def setup (32k) that will cut number of hits taken by around half, but with low dr. This also gives me another potential nuke with a fortitude scepter that gives +bh/conc/conv, which is about 200+ dmg from a base level FOH if enemy is at <0 lr. Because ar stackers won't have any stacked lr, this means they will have to gimp their own build in some way or they will just get fully wiped out by foh. The increased defense would probably be more significant than the drop in % dr, because a lot of the damage is coming from open wounds. In addition, some barbs use 2x doom and leap around so it is very difficult to land a hammer on them. The drop of the 26% dr is in fact negligible in this instance because most of the damage is dealt via open wounds. Stacked defense is exponentially more effective against worse ar, for example pub bvcs using fcr rings will get about 20% cth before factoring in bolck chance. In other words this setup is effective against those that actually bother to rmt their items etc, and very effective against unprepared chars. Anyway this is all theorycraft at this point. Need some opinions before I spend all I have on the 2nd setup! Just so I know if I am spending everything on a total downgrade, lol. Which is better:


1) Standard items - hoto/spirit/dungo/coa
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/v101ihq5
125fcr/86fhr,
13.7k hammers,
50% dr,
14k def,
4.7k hp (5.8k hp w/ oak),
33rep
min str/dex investment required: 0/49
Standard setup. Very inflexible, ofc


2) Crazy, ultra-gay, ultra-expensive items - fort scepter bh+conc/exile/arach/circlet ber'd
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/5e01ih6q
125fcr/86fhr,
13.6k hammers,
24% dr,
32k def (38k def w/ CA proc),
4.4k hp,
7rep
min str/dex investment required: 0/34
Special setup. Can get holy freeze or conv staffmods on scepter (if GM), can get faster movement speed. It's very flexible, kinda like a bisexual stripper

More on the 2nd setup. I could put a Ber SS on it to immediately have maxed % Damage Reduction. I could also get COA/Dungo but it won't be any good b/c of the slower fcr frames. Just looking for a more efficient way to play this matchup, especially since stash space is less of a problem now. ISO feedback on whether it's good/bad etc :)
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Nov 16 2023 09:17am
You’re looking for even more of an advantage in the hvb matchup? If you’re struggling gear isn’t your issue
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Nov 16 2023 10:05am
Quote (thing @ Nov 16 2023 06:26am)
Trying to decide on a setup to kill 40k ar barbs. I'm not talking about the ingame trades only bnet traders w/ standard gear... I'm talking about those that actual real world rmt.. Those that actually bother spending $2000 for a 6 pt circlet and stuff. I'm already using an effective setup, which is the standard pub nuke gear, just looking for something even more effective, something that I can use to outgay the gays. I have an ultra-high def setup (32k) that will cut number of hits taken by around half, but with low dr. This also gives me another potential nuke with a fortitude scepter that gives +bh/conc/conv, which is about 200+ dmg from a base level FOH if enemy is at <0 lr. Because ar stackers won't have any stacked lr, this means they will have to gimp their own build in some way or they will just get fully wiped out by foh. The increased defense would probably be more significant than the drop in % dr, because a lot of the damage is coming from open wounds. In addition, some barbs use 2x doom and leap around so it is very difficult to land a hammer on them. The drop of the 26% dr is in fact negligible in this instance because most of the damage is dealt via open wounds. Stacked defense is exponentially more effective against worse ar, for example pub bvcs using fcr rings will get about 20% cth before factoring in bolck chance. In other words this setup is effective against those that actually bother to rmt their items etc, and very effective against unprepared chars. Anyway this is all theorycraft at this point. Need some opinions before I spend all I have on the 2nd setup! Just so I know if I am spending everything on a total downgrade, lol. Which is better:


1) Standard items - hoto/spirit/dungo/coa
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/v101ihq5
125fcr/86fhr,
13.7k hammers,
50% dr,
14k def,
4.7k hp (5.8k hp w/ oak),
33rep
min str/dex investment required: 0/49
Standard setup. Very inflexible, ofc


2) Crazy, ultra-gay, ultra-expensive items - fort scepter bh+conc/exile/arach/circlet ber'd
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/5e01ih6q
125fcr/86fhr,
13.6k hammers,
24% dr,
32k def (38k def w/ CA proc),
4.4k hp,
7rep
min str/dex investment required: 0/34
Special setup. Can get holy freeze or conv staffmods on scepter (if GM), can get faster movement speed. It's very flexible, kinda like a bisexual stripper

More on the 2nd setup. I could put a Ber SS on it to immediately have maxed % Damage Reduction. I could also get COA/Dungo but it won't be any good b/c of the slower fcr frames. Just looking for a more efficient way to play this matchup, especially since stash space is less of a problem now. ISO feedback on whether it's good/bad etc :)



I stopped reading when you said 6 point.
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Nov 16 2023 02:00pm
This isn't complicated, get max block and you'll crush any remotely GM barb unless you play like an idiot

If it's a pub game then you need to escalate the BM. Barb can have a decent advantage against normal hammerdins if they're using amp damage because they have so much health it's easy to full rejuv in time to escape, while 1 WW can kill you if you are amped and you might not rejuv in time
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Nov 16 2023 03:27pm
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Nov 16 2023 05:09pm
Quote (Void511 @ Nov 16 2023 07:17am)
You’re looking for even more of an advantage in the hvb matchup? If you’re struggling gear isn’t your issue


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Nov 16 2023 05:29pm
Yea you definitely are gonna need the more expensive setup. In fact, the one listed here isnt expensive enough. Everyone knows hvb is pay to win and always has been
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Nov 16 2023 10:40pm
if you struggle to kill a barb with a hdin, gear wont matter at all. Skill>gear 99% of the time
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Nov 18 2023 12:35am
When ever you enter a barb range and die, it’s your fault.
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Nov 18 2023 02:00am
Standard setup vs all...

Coa ChamBer 15DR/20-30@ base
Hoto + Spirit 45@ st
cta 3 hs + spirit st
Enigma
Dungo 15% Dr
Waterwalks / Hots vs fb
Trang oul's
2pala/20fcr/nice adds ammu
10fcr/nice adds ring
Wisp

9 x pc lifers
torch
annie
life/5@ scs

Stash some items to deal with blizz. (110CR coa and raven, maby some boots and scs as well)

This setup can kill all, and its only 46% DR and the cham is more ideal than second ber which u get half effect from.

NN anything else on hdin, nn grief, nn shit. If u must u can have grief + pheonix offhand, but rarely ever usefull...
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