is mining one of the better choices if i am not interested in pvp?
thanks guys

Mining is one of the worst ways unless you're running your own armada of mining barges boosted with mining links.

That depends very much on your skillpoints and area of operation.

For Low-Skillpoints and Hisec Mining is actually very profitable. ~20 mil/hour is okay, not much but you can see your money rising.
It is better then grinding lvl 1-3 pve Missions.

At medium Skillpoints to high Skillpoints in Hisec PVE gets more profitable. ~30 mil/hour is easily reached and it is not as boring as sucking belts dry. This includes ofc salvaging.

If you are in 0.0 or Low-sec 90-140mil/hour is reachable in PVE by running anomalies/lvl5 missions in the right Ship (T3 cruiser, BS, Carrier).

If you exclude every pvp aspect for money making (that means faction war too) there are only a few lucrative options left.

Exploration is not my field of expertise, but i have never heard that you can make very much money out of it compared to time spent.

Trading can be good, but is luck based (you count on the laziness of other players). I once bought raw ores, refined them and sold them at a trading hub. If you can fly a Freighter and the market is not overrun by other traders this can be good too, but is just an example.

Industry, like building stuff, requires much time and money invested in researching blueprints. This is a hard field and beginners dont have easy access to it.

Planetary Interaction, is also a thing i would advise for everyone.


--> the most straight forward and easy to understand way to make good money in eve is doing PVE Missions/Anomalies/Complexes/etc.

0.0 and lowsec are not really options for anyone who wants to entirely avoid pvp. Hi-sec mining for profit is also iffy at best. There are entire coalitions whos primary playstyle involves ganking anything carebear.

That being said.... you can make decent isk mining in high sec from a newer player standpoint. after a half year or so it will seem measly at best.

The real big money all involves varying degrees of risk. Wormhole space is great isk, but you're always at risk. It takes a decent skill set but can be new player friendly if you can find the right corp.

Combat of one form or another is unavoidable at some point though, and my advice is to at least get an understanding of pvp combat. The easiest way to do this as a low sp toon is probably by finding a solid new player friendly FW corp. spend a couple months there before you invest alot of time in mining etc.

In high sec the highest source of income for a single pilot is incursions !

You could go up to 200-250m an hour in an HQ contesting fleet. You need a good start investment and lots of SP to be able to pilot quite well few expensive ships

Well i'm making around 190mill/day with trading while playing with my other account around 1-2hour/day. So its good way to make extra isk with little effort.

You have to understand how to and understand market bit to minimize risk since it can affect your income very much.

If you are lucky at market you can make much much more.

I think i could double my daily income if i would spend more time on market but it gets boring pretty fast and like doubling your hours wont double your income.

trading isn't a very good profession for brand new players.... it takes a pretty big investment in both skills and standing to cut out enough of the transaction fees to be competitive.

without skills and standings you need to trade in lowsec or null to make isk, which takes a whole separate list of skills to minimize risk.

For new players I would recommend getting into a solid corp to start. You will get a lot more detailed advice, as well as help from experienced pilots.

Over all, mining can make decent money but is very time consuming. Mission running can make decent money and ramps up as your skills increase. trading takes investment in skills/standings/isk. Pi can be decent passive income but also takes a fair bit of sp and time.

I would say mission running is a decent income as well as requiring combat skills that will serve you well later in your career.

You will NOT make 20 mil per hour by mining in high sec with low skills. Not even 10 mil. With good skills you are looking at 15 at best.

Especially with the changes to mining of late. With 3-4 million sp entirely invested in mining (not even counting the sp you need to put into refining to be truly efficient) you might make 10 mil an hour. To reach even that, though, you would need someone to move your ore/minerals to somewhere you can sell them. Then you need to take into account the losses from no trade skills and low standing.

If you seriously want to stick to mining/industry etc, I would recommend spending your first 4-5 months training exclusivly for mission running. save up all your isk and LP and cash in when you can make 4-5 bil. That should get oyu a pretty solid mining pilot on the bazzar. then you use the miner and missioner to make enough to purchase a third pilot (trade or production... or whatever). then you can focus on training which ever you find most appealing.

To be honest, if you spend a bit shopping the forums and haggling you can find a miner for around 4-5 bil that will be able to provide all the mining you need without ever spending a minute training them. Then you can concentrate on training another pilot the way you want.....

You only need 45 days of training to be a maxed out yield high sec hulk pilot minus the cybernetics 5 yield implant and that's around 2.6M SP.

With a perfect orca booster (which most of noob mining corp provides) you easily get 20-25m an hour in high sec.

This post was edited by Lowzzz on Jul 8 2013 03:37am