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Sep 8 2011 05:25pm
Please keep in mind I'm still new to the game.

1) Okay so when you start the game, you automatically have a clone that saves up to 900k of your skill points. Lets say I die. I get sent back to where I originally started the game. When I get warped back, do I automatically get fitted into another 900k skill saved clone? Or am I in that medical clone or whatever it's called?
2) If I have implants on myself and then die, do I lose those implants? Is there any way to make sure I don't lose them? I've heard of jump clones. Is that the same thing as going to the med station and saving my skills? Or is that something else?
3) I know you lose skills points if you die and the clone you had saved has less skills points than your... original body? How does the game take out those skills points?

What I'm trying to understand is how all of these clones work. And if saving my skill points at a station with that option in the top left is the same thing as a jump clone. I'm planning on getting some +4 implants and do not plan on wandering to low/null sec anytime soon, but I understand there is still the risk of being podded. I just want to make sure I don't lose 100mil in implants from not being well enough educated.

I have read http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Jump_Clone but even that seems a bit confusing to me. I"m just trying to understand the different types of clones if there are more than 1 type. I mean... are we always a clone? Or does our real body exist somewhere else. How do we lose implants exactly?
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Sep 8 2011 05:48pm
Jump clones and your "medical" clones are different things. Jump clones are clones that you can have to move between regions very quickly. They also save the implants for each clone. Such as, you have a set of +4's on one jump clone and nothing on another. You can switch between them. For instance, when you go tp pvp, you use the jump clone that has no implants on it so you don't lose your +4's in the instance you get podded. Jump clones require the skill Informorph Psychology to use and a standing of 8+ if you're in an npc owned station. The other kind of clone saves your skill points and no skill required, only isk to upgrade to the each clone type. In the instance that you die and your clone is not updated, then you lose all the skill points that you trained most recently up until your remaining number of skill points matches that of how much the clone type saves.
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Sep 8 2011 06:02pm
Quote (Mirai @ Sep 8 2011 04:48pm)
Jump clones and your "medical" clones are different things.  Jump clones are clones that you can have to move between regions very quickly.  They also save the implants for each clone.  Such as, you have a set of +4's on one jump clone and nothing on another.  You can switch between them.  For instance, when you go tp pvp, you use the jump clone that has no implants on it so you don't lose your +4's in the instance you get podded.  Jump clones require the skill Informorph Psychology to use and a standing of 8+ if you're in an npc owned station.  The other kind of clone saves your skill points and no skill required, only isk to upgrade to the each clone type.  In the instance that you die and your clone is not updated, then you lose all the skill points that you trained most recently up until your remaining number of skill points matches that of how much the clone type saves.


Thanks for the response. I helped clear a bit up. But to clarify a bit more.

Are you ever able to fly around in your medical clone?
What makes jump clones able to move between regions quickly? Unless you mean they are just able to pilot ships.
With jump clones, do they always have your most up to date skills? And if you are researching a skill and it finishes, will all of your jump clones then have the new skills?
Theoretically I can have Clone A with implants that never leave a station for learning skills. Then have Clone B to be used whenever I leave the station in case I die?
Is the medical facility only used for medical clones? Or is that suppose to be used for jump clones?

This whole clone thing has to be one of the most confusing things I'm trying to comprehend in the game currently. I'm not sure why it's so difficult for me to understand.
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Sep 8 2011 06:07pm
Your clone is you. The clone merely determines how many skillpoints are saved after you get podded. It also determines where you spawn after you get podded. You will notice you can change the station in which the clone is in. This is the station where you will spawn after you get podded. Jump clones can be installed into npc stations, POS, and some capital ships. You have to be there to create the jump clone. And then you can move instantly to it when you choose to, although you can only jump once every 24 hours. And yes, jump clones always have your skills. Jump clones only have differing implants. The medical facility is used for both. And yes, you are correct with your scenario of the Clone A and Clone B.
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Sep 8 2011 06:51pm
You're slowly clearing up my questions =)

Having never made a jump clone or saved my clone skills before. If I were to die right now, would I warp back to Todaki (Caldari starting area)? The clone that just died would be called...??? And the clone at Todaki would be my medical clone?
If a jump clone dies, you lose it forever? Meaning you have to make another jump clone? If so, what would be the point of even using the medical fac to save your jump clone?
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Sep 8 2011 08:01pm
To make it simpler, don't think of it as clones. Once you die, you're sent back to where you began unless you changed the location. You keep the number of skill points that you paid for to save. Anything more is lost. And when you get podded and you have say 2 jump clones, you would spawn at the place where your "medical" clone is. You will still have 2 jump clones. The one that you just spawned as, and the other one. The only difference is that any implants you had on the clone that you just got podded with will be gone and that you will have moved locations to where your "medical" clone is.
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Sep 8 2011 08:23pm
I need to speak to someone on comms about this. This is so confusing.

You keep the number of skill points that you paid for to save.
On that one clone only right? I'm thinking of this as insurance essentially. Do I have to ensure each of my clones?

when you get podded and you have say 2 jump clones, you would spawn at the place where your "medical" clone is. You will still have 2 jump clones. The one that you just spawned as, and the other one
So you CAN fly around in your medical clone. And it can die. When you die, you hop into one of your jump clones? So you have clone A and clone B. You die in your medical clone. You get warped back to where ever you saved and clone A gets sent to where you are saved in. You get into clone A and you still have clone B?

The only difference is that any implants you had on the clone that you just got podded with will be gone and that you will have moved locations to where your "medical" clone is.
So is it possible to make clone A have all of your implants and never leave a station. Basically get into that clone whenever you want to train skills for the bonus. While using different jump clones, is your medical clone always in your save spot? As in another you is essentially at a save point doing nothing?
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Sep 8 2011 09:21pm
Thanks to Mirai over vent I have it all figured out now =)
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Sep 9 2011 03:03am
your ship is toasted , you still have the pod

your pod is toasted , you wake up in station in your clone , and the first thing you need to do is to buy a new one to hold all your SP . If you forget that or you don`t have isk , next time you get podded you lose 5% SP from the highest learned skill . or something like that ^^
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Sep 10 2011 03:19pm
Quote (brainpower777 @ Sep 9 2011 11:03am)
your ship is toasted , you still have the pod

your pod is toasted , you wake up in station in your clone , and the first thing you need to do is to buy a new one to hold all your SP . If you forget that or you don`t have isk , next time you get podded you lose 5% SP from the highest learned skill . or something like that ^^


Yeah, you don't lose all skill points that's over you current clone limit, would be harsh for someone who has like millions of SP and gets podded without clone -> 900k SP left, years of training/money/time wasted.

I heard that you lose 1 level from skill that has most SP.

This post was edited by malbaz on Sep 10 2011 03:20pm
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