seems to be worth alot of fg

it's not worth a lot necessairly, people just got good prices for it before because there weren't a lot of EVE players around. I'm the only player who can afford to buy any right now, and there is tons of isk out there.. it's not very hard to obtain at all if you've been eve for long enough for good skills.

Isk is the currency of EVE online.

As for how easy it is to obtain, that entirely depends on your skills and your ship.

An expensive ship (the more popular mission ships are faction ships, and in some cases faction modded, meaning they can easily cost 500m (basic fit)-2b+ (faction fit)) can make a good chunk of isk. A player just starting out will make maybe 1% of that though, and will be looking at a few months of training + saving up the isk to buy a decent ship before their income is anywhere near decent. For a new player to raise 100m, it'll easily take a month+ to earn 100m playing several hours a day.

Also an added advantage is that you can buy time cards or accounts with isk (both are supported by CCP, and have built in tools in the website so people can't scam you), so players wanting to get a head start and skip the rather boring and slow start in EVE (which can take months before things start to pick up) can do so by turning FG into Isk, and then buy an account/time cards with it.

That said, players who have been playing for a year+ and know EVE well enough probably won't bother to buy isk here, except for maybe times where they need very large sums of ISK to make long term investments (such as BPO's/etc) and have plenty of FG laying around.

from the mining side, once you get maxed mining barge (V) and exhumers (V) and T2 crystals and mining upgrades (probably T2) and maybe mining implants you an pull nearly 50mil/hour mining the high end 0.0 ores. Mission running should come in somewhere arround that. Having more then one miner character mining at once is a good idea.

The big bucks are made through:

1) running a large corporation (150+ members) that skims a healthy % off their members, and in turn you skim off that. Even better an alliance that you own the refineries for.
2) having the best t2 bpos back before invention made people trillions.
3) using huge capital (10+ billion working capital) to manipulate key goods on the market.
4) serious invention, like maybe 5 accounts all dedicated to getting datacores and inventing, might be pretty damn profitable ;-)

A mission runner really can't pull in 50m/hour in high sec.

Even with world's collide, where you get little over 20m in bounty + 10m in mission reward (going by memory, I can't remember how much rewards were) + another 15m or so in salvage probably. Mission + salvage will take at least 1.5 hour (at least, it does for me with ~15m sp in a CNR without faction fitting). And that's the very best mission you can get, there's still a whole bunch of crap missions out there that make a whole lot less, meaning your average will be well below the average for this mission.

works quite a bit faster using one char for killing and a salvage char

I easily make 60m/hr on a single character without looting or salvaging in high sec running level 4s. 3-5 people in local. You just need to know where to mission and what offers to take. The market I exploit is fairly well supplied and you can still get those kind of returns. 6 months ago it was more like 120m/hr. Obviously I'm not going to say who I am running for, last thing I need is the farmers getting wind of it.

I will agree that for the typical (lolcaldari) mission runner 20-30m/hr is more likely, the farmers have really killed the value of caldari lp.

Also, blame HippoKing for the worlds collide respawning nerfs.

I'm running in a fairly unknown spot too, and get a lot of angel missions (hello salvage), but even then, unless I just keep getting world's collide constantly, I'm not going to be anywhere near 50m/hour. Of course I also haven't turned any of my lp into isk, so I have a ton of that, but 60m per hour seems incredibly unrealistic to me.

World's collide takes about an hour unless you're a full faction fit "suicide gank me" setup (it doesn't always feel that long, but I started timing it, and it is. I do clear both sides though). I think it's 20-25m in bounty, and I recall 10m on mission rewards, but I might be off on that. So that's 35, I'm really not seeing another 25m from lp rewards. And that's only if you keep getting world's collide. Throw in a few crap missions and that isk / hour goes down very fast.

I do agree on lolcaldari missions though, gg 150+ people in local and constant lag spikes all because they can't seem to figure out there are in fact other agents besides Caldari Navy (and several others also have the CNR and CN faction mods in the lp shop lol).

They were two separate points, although worlds collide only takes me about 10 minutes if you use the key on the first gate (it used to be 90-100m/hr straight up -no LP [since you never completed the mission] if you could get 3 or so open at the same time in the same system), kill the webbers +overseer if up in the 2nd room and kill the agro in the 3rd room. LP is worth between 3000-3500isk on the agent offers I take depending on current market conditions, I make between 15k and 20k LP (more if you chain decline long missions and drop standings) per hour and at the low end plus 20m bounties per hour.

I use a permarunning nighthawk (~2-3b fit, not needed though), usually I don't bother to deploy drones as I don't really pay much attention when running.

Eve pve is so boring and static, I don't really need ISK but I just feel compelled to keep carebearing. The proposed nano nerfs have me questioning whether I should keep playing though - have probably 100-120b worth of stuff (including character value)

This post was edited by stoatle on Jul 28 2008 03:27pm

the nano nerf is going to help the pvpers by slowing down the insane speeds of HAC's up to this point. and if you quit just from that it just is meaning your mad about the changes to make missiles and drones catch their intended target.